Stateless KhAI-300

[Tophe]

You may know the KhAI-3 was created in 1936 in Kharkov (Soviet Ukraine, see http://www.unicraft.biz/on/khai3/khai3.htm ), but the version KhAI-300 came in 1945, just before the victory of USSR (and China) over Germany/Japan 1945 then over USA/UK 1946 (with the Atomic bombs on Berlin and New York) providing Peace and saving so many lives! Then the World is united in happy communism, and there are no more countries nor armies, that is why the KhAI-300 is proudly civilian with no nationality at all (just: human, proletarian).
I am going to build it 1/72 from the Unicraft KhAI-3, the KhAI-300 had been designed as Soviet in 1945 and is now flown as stateless in 1947. I have been told the KhAI-300 is rather different from the KhAI-3 Planerlet, being an asymmetric short-span rocket plane (Raketlet?), but I will have to check.

[Tophe]

I have been told the KhAI-300 is rather different from the KhAI-3 Planerlet, being an asymmetric short-span rocket plane (Raketlet?), but I will have to check.

I have found this drawing in KhAI archives, but I am not sure yet if this is the first project or the final prototype.

[comrade harps]

"The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away"

-  Comrade Engels 

[Tophe]

Thanks for this philosophical support
So the KhAI-300 was designed in Soviet Country then flew in Soviet Planet...

[zenrat]

"The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away"

-  Comrade Engels 

"Oi, Engels!  If you don't put that pen down and get in the bedroom right now and give some social relations then your production parts will have more than withering to worry about".

- Mrs Engels

[comrade harps]

"The interference of the state power in social relations becomes superfluous in one sphere after another, and then ceases of itself. The government of persons is replaced by the administration of things and the direction of the processes of production. The state is not "abolished", it withers away"

-  Comrade Engels 

"Oi, Engels!  If you don't put that pen down and get in the bedroom right now and give some social relations then your production parts will have more than withering to worry about".

- Mrs Engels

"The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production."

Comrade Karl

[jcf]

Interesting notion, only problem is that Marxist Communism was decidedly Statist,
which caused a great schism amongst Socialists in the 19th century. You've
imagined an Anarchist world which the Statist Soviet Union and Statist
Marxist-Leninist Communist Party was never going to build or allow to develop.

Despite their excesses, and there were many (murdering priests and nuns, starving those
who disagreed etc.), the Anarchist Communes of the Spanish Civil War may be more the
model you are looking for.

[comrade harps]

Interesting notion, only problem is that Marxist Communism was decidedly Statist,
which caused a great schism amongst Socialists in the 19th century. You've
imagined an Anarchist world which the Statist Soviet Union and Statist
Marxist-Leninist Communist Party was never going to build or allow to develop.

Despite their excesses, and there were many (murdering priests and nuns, starving those
who disagreed etc.), the Anarchist Communes of the Spanish Civil War may be more the
model you are looking for.

"Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat."

Comrade Karl, Critique of the Gotha Program (1875)

[Tophe]

Despite their excesses, and there were many (murdering priests and nuns, starving those
who disagreed etc.),

Yes, while... in 1944-45, the Capitalists murdered thousands of babies in Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, they are not the good ones either. And in France 2017, you are sent to jail if you happen to say/write you disagree with the official dogma... Excesses may be everywhere, despite what propaganda said and still says...

[jcf]

Despite their excesses, and there were many (murdering priests and nuns, starving those
who disagreed etc.),

Yes, while... in 1944-45, the Capitalists murdered thousands of babies in Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, they are not the good ones either. And in France 2017, you are sent to jail if you happen to say/write you disagree with the official dogma... Excesses may be everywhere, despite what propaganda said and still says...

What happened in Spain was not propoganda, the Anarchist perpetrators documented it themselves.
Sorry, but the notion that Communist States were somehow more gentle than the Capitalist simply
isn't relected in history. Anyhow the bombing campaigns of WWI weren't made in defense of capitalism
against innocent nations, Germany and Japan were just as capitalist and if you recall started the mess,
put their people in harms way and flatout didn't give a damn what happened to them, particularly the
Nazis. And lots not forget Comrade Stalin's excesses, do you really believe a world with him in command
would be gentle and friendly? Oh yeah and Mao, Hoxha, Ceausescu etc.

Look into the olderr anarchists and you may find what you are looking for.

[Tophe]

put their people in harms way and flatout didn't give a damn what happened to them, particularly the Nazis.

With "terror bombing" (not allowed to classify as terrorism), UK/USA/France/USSR did murder thousands of babies that were not evil at all, I wouldn't rape the daughter of the rapist, Tallion law may be criminal...
But this is philosophy, almost politics, I plan to start building the KhAI-300 next week. It is just that moderators encouraged us to invent a backstory...

[Weaver]

/MODERATOR HAT=ON:

Gentlemen, this is veering perilously close to breaking the 'No Politics' rule. By all means have a civilized discussion about the credibility and mechanisms of a what-if alternative history, however, it shouldn't veer into a moralising and aggressive argument about real-life politics.

/MODERAOTR HAT=OFF

[PR19_Kit]

I was thinking exactly that too...........

[Tophe]

All right, I understand, and I am willing to stop this condemned talking.
But I need to explain 2 things:
- I strongly feel I am a victim of the moderators' cntradiction: I wanted to build this KhAI-300 as a plane-bird of the World, without any roundel nor company name, and the rules discussion pushed me into inventing a backstory, a war or something, like if politics (true USSR or fictive Soviet equivalent) was required. Nationalism (anti-humanism that I dislike) is highly politics and was pretended obligatory here. Then words suspect of being political somehow are condemned as my own fault/disobedience/naughtiness !
- When you celebrate a Petlyakov Pe-8 or Do-17 or Lancaster, which is (not saying it) a mass-murderer of civilians and children, inventing a different user, this is highly shocking ethically, even if voluntarily/partly untrue. As you pretend ethics are politics, I just don't understand your point of view, just having the power to forbid and condemn, without understandable logics (that I could see).

If you dislike this, just close this topic and I will run away somewhere else, no problem, as I feel bad and no need to go on. I feel the fault is completely on your side, and I would fully explain it on the Web, elsewhere.

[Weaver]

The Mods are currently discussing this issue. A response will be forthcoming within the next 48 hours.