Aircraft in Fiction, Wikipedia article

[The Rat]

Someone with more wiki editing experience than I might want to have a go at this, because there are some glaring omissions. I don't watch many movies yet even I noticed some, other will probably find more.

For instance:

Avro Vulcan - It doesn't mention it's appearance in the James Bond film Thunderball

B-17/B-52 -  Doesn't mention the glaring error, uncharacteristic of Kubrick, in Dr. Strangelove, in which the aerial footage of the ground plainly shows the shadow of the filming aircraft, a B-17 as opposed to a B-52

Boeing 747 - Doesn't mention the heavily modified example in the 2006 film Casino Royale

DH Mosquito - Doesn't mention the one used as the test aircraft in the film The Dam Busters

Short Solent - Not mentioned as the flying boat in Raiders of the Lost Ark

Those are the ones that hit me, anyone else want to chime in?

[PR19_Kit]

Avro Vulcan - It doesn't mention it's appearance in the James Bond film Thunderball

And it was a Victor in the book.................

[Nick]

Avro Vulcan - It doesn't mention it's appearance in the James Bond film Thunderball

And it was a Victor in the book.................

No, it was a Villiers Vindicator. Possibly the first what-if aircraft I ever heard of.

[PR19_Kit]

Avro Vulcan - It doesn't mention it's appearance in the James Bond film Thunderball

And it was a Victor in the book.................

No, it was a Villiers Vindicator. Possibly the first what-if aircraft I ever heard of.

Perhaps it was a Victor in the second attempt at a film of the book? I know I heard/saw it somewhere..............

[The Wooksta!]

Thunderball started out as a collaboration on a film script between Ian Fleming and Kevin McCrory.  It fell through, so Fleming wrote the novel.  Then it was optioned as a film later, and made as the Thunderball we all know.

[Weaver]

Doesn't mention the F-104s that intercept the Enterprise, as seen in Star Trek TOS episode called Tomorrow Is Yesterday.

The dreadful Galactica 1980 series had a scene in the first episode where a couple of Vipers enter Earth's atmosphere and get intercepted by the USAF. I can find a couple of written pieces which guess at them being F-16s but don't seem very confident. You'd think it'd be on Youtube, and it probably is, but I can't view it 'cos most of the relevent videos come up "blocked in your country"...

[Rheged]

Apart from the obvious   633 Squadron,    Mosquito Squadron  (Mosquitoes)  Dambusters (Lancaster) and Battle of Britain (Spitfire, Hurricane, Me109, etc)   There's the Junkers  52 in Where Eagles Dare   and the incredible Rutland Reindeer (with the most unlikely tailplane ever) in No Highway in the Sky.

[scooter]

There's the Junkers  52 in Where Eagles Dare

And the Bell 47

[The Wooksta!]

And the Texans that get smashed by the bus snow plough.

Dambusters and Battle of Britain don't count as it's drama/documentary.

Ansons and French post war Bf 108s in Mosquito Squadron.

I'll not get started with the whole stock footage mess that is Airwolf.

[The Rat]

Doesn't mention the F-104s that intercept the Enterprise, as seen in Star Trek TOS episode called Tomorrow Is Yesterday.

Yes, saw that and forgot to include it. I believe there is an F-104 model issued with decals for that aircraft.

[Weaver]

The 'Aircraft In Fiction' article is for REAL aircraft that have appeared in 'fiction'. Given that things like the Mosquitos in 633 Squadron appear on the list, I think anything like BoB or Dambusters that's 'dramatized' history counts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_in_fiction


There's another article called 'List Of Fictional Aircraft' that specifically covers MADE UP aircraft in media. This includes the Rutland Reindeer and the Villiers Vindicator:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_aircraft

[Weaver]

I've just been reading the Revision History and Talk pages about the Aircraft In Fiction article.

Wikipedia have 'project teams' that are attempting the Herculean task of improving whole areas of the site and bringing them up to higher standards. The Aircraft In Fiction article was created by the Aviation Team in order to get reams of 'fanboy' text about their favorite plane in their favorite movie off the actual aircraft reference pages. Somebody is going through the latest revisions every Friday and undoing any that don't meet a fairly strict interpretation of Wikipedia's 'Notability' and 'Third Party Sources' standards, with the specific intention of removing any and all 'appeared in the background for 10 seconds 'cos I saw it' type entries that were making the list unfeasably long.

Both the Star Trek Starfighter and the Thunderball Vulcan have been added and deleted many times, mainly for lack of third-party references demonstrating their 'significance'. Note that entries on fan blogs or Wikis don't count for this. Under the circumstances I'm not willing to get into a handbag-fight by adding stuff to the article unless I'm very sure of my ground. If you can find anything that meets Wikipedia's standards for Notability and Third-Party Sources then I might consider it.

For example (and this is only me theorizing) the Thunderball Vulcan may not be judged to meet Notability standards because the identity of the aircraft isn't central to the plot. It could be any interchangeable NATO bomber, as demonstrated by the fact that it was a fictional 'Vindicator' in the novel and that the remake Never Say Never Again deleted it entirely and replaced it with a pair of stolen cruise missiles. Now if you could find a book or magazine article demonstrating that the film significantly added to the aircraft's public profile, then thay might be considered acceptable as a Third Party Source.

This is the Wikipedia Talk page for the Aircraft In Fiction article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aircraft_in_fiction

[PR19_Kit]

Hmmm, don't get me going about Wikipedia and their 'Third Party Source' business. 

I've added some hefty revisions to various of their 'Tilting Train' pages (about things that I myself actually did!) and they won't accept them because it's not written down anywhere that they think is reputable.

Ruddy cheek! Who do they think they are, I was the guy who DID it, damn it! 

[Weaver]

Ruddy cheek! Who do they think they are, I was the guy who DID it, damn it! 

Prove it though...

I know it's annoying when you know you're right, but from their PoV you're just 'some guy on the internet'. Wikipedia gets dumped-on daily on the grounds that 'any fool can edit it and put any rubbish they want on there', then when they try to apply standards that any print encyclopedia would, they get dumped on for that too.

What you need are articles in books or magazines that can be used as references. The text of a book doesn't need to be on the web: providing the ISBN number so that somebody can track it down if they want to is all that's required.

Also, check the talk page for the article (tab at top left) and the edit history: you may be in a 'political' handbag-fight and not even know it.

[PR19_Kit]

If they bothered to look me up they'd KNOW I wasn't 'some guy on the Internet' as I'm in numerous books, I've done NINE TV programmes on the train, and even wrote most of one of the books myself!

But the true information is in the train's log books, that were never published and BR were going to scrap them, so I made sure they didn't and I've got them now.