Hi All
Well as things appear to have started rolling, its time to see what concepts people are begining to come up with. Feel free to ask or PM me with any Naval Questions as i'm sure me, JoeP or GeoffP will be able to help where we can with data, parts or advice.
cheers
GeoffB
(Aka Thorvic or Ogwash, depending where i am at the time) :D
Thanks Geoff,
i for one, know a little (but not a lot) about ship matters, and i'll be picking your brain a lot i'm afraid, about carriers etc...thanks in advance for your help!
in fact, my bolton loving chum, i'll start now...
Sweden, nice place, snowy, jolly decent aircraft industry...but how about carriers? i know they don't have one, and as a neutral nation they don't do a whole lot of force projection, but just say they did have a carrier (to defend territorial waters and to send on UN business) then what would they have?
sorry for the vague question mate...
ben
I've been bouncing around the idea of a 80's - 90's era Spanish carrier fleet myself.
QuoteI've been bouncing around the idea of a 80's - 90's era Spanish carrier fleet myself
,
Hi Tom
The current spanish carrier Prinicpe Des Austres replaced an ex US CVL (Cabot) as a VTOL carrier. Spain also drew up plans for an angled deck version of the PdA, slightly longer with a deck edge lift as an alternative to the STVOL version built. Aircraft i suppose, Hornets or Rafales.
The are currently building an new LHD, whicjh is JSF capabable with Ski Jump.
Cheers
Geoffb B)
QuoteSweden, nice place, snowy, jolly decent aircraft industry...but how about carriers? i know they don't have one, and as a neutral nation they don't do a whole lot of force projection, but just say they did have a carrier (to defend territorial waters and to send on UN business) then what would they have?
Hi Ben
Currently Sweeden has concentrated on coastal forces and light attack craft for its naval forces but did originally have cruisers and destroyer for deep sea operations.
A sweedish carrier i suppose would be smallish, possibly a VTOL one as the VTOL concept would fit in with Sweedens air operations - A harrier in lizard camo !!!- nice.
For simplest use a modified US LHD would meet thier needs i imagine, ample room for helo's & harriers plus a dock for naval operations. I suppose the dock could carry Fast Attack craft as and alternative to Landing craft or hovercraft based LCAC. the sweeds have also been playing with the new SES surface effect ships with a mix between seacat and hovercraft.
Both the Viggen and the Gripen have very good STOL performances so could have been adaped to carrier use, but with would require an angled deck carrier of about 220m to 250m in length.
Cheers
GeoffB B)
Thanks Geoff!
i was getting a little concerned for a while when you were talking about harriers (not that they aren't GREAT) that i might not be able to have a sea viggen, but you have set my mind at rest :D
i dunno why, but i find it hard to be as excited by new types as i should be really - i'm a 50's - 80's chap i guess...so don't be expecting too mant gripens from me, although i can't help thinking that somebody, somewhere, would just love to operate a sea draken as a naval interceptor :D
somebody would need a longish flightdeck though.
and a sea tunnan - ahhh....
swedish lizard cammo in ice blue, and 2 tones of grey - sea lizard cammo - WOO HOO!
*getting a bit too excited*
thank's geoff!
ben (happy enough to forgive you for John McGinlay)
For me it's a EF-2000N Seaphoon made up as a RCN bird for my RCAF 2000 project. Of course, it will be suitably folded up!
:lol: :wub:
i quite fancy building a 72nd CVA.01 island for a diorama idea...iv already got one of those little RN. deck tractors ready for moulding too...
cheers, joe :ph34r:
Some that have come to mind:
1. CVA-01 circa Desert Storm (already mentioned in another thread) - Tornados, Jaguars, EW Buccaneers ala EA-6, E-2, Sea King.
2. Brasilian Essex class - I need to decide an air group and time period, then figure out the markings.
3. Dutch or Italian ex-US CVL or CVE- LPH? ASW?
4. HMS Nassau - ex-US LPH w/ ski-jump added; this was considered if Hermes or Invincible was lost or significantly damaged in the Falklands.
5. Japanese Forrestal class, mid-1970s - F-4s, A-4s, A-7s, F-8s
JoeP
Spain vs. Canada would be a good Naval concept...we got a little mad at one another over the Turbot..........
I think we shoulda sank their fishing boats, and then their Navy after that !
Hmmm.......SHAR vs. SHAR ?
How about an Italian carrier to help defend the Med? Sea Tornados, SHARS.......dare I say it?...........Sea Starfighters? :lol: Imagine landing one of them babies on a carrier! :D
I've got a naval question for you Thorvic,
Why does it fill up with fluff ?............................ :wub:
and another one is which are the best 1/700 LHA and LHD ?
All the best
Steve :P
QuoteI've got a naval question for you Thorvic,
Why does it fill up with fluff ?............................ :wub:
and another one is which are the best 1/700 LHA and LHD ?
All the best
Steve :P
Dragon's LHA is much much better than the Revell blob. :)
Revell-Germany makes a decent LHD, but if you buy it scrap the aircraft and buy WEM replacements. All the whirley-birds are way out of scale. :angry:
Waveline and Jim Shirley Prods made LPHs in resin. They're about the same level of quality; Waveline's is far easier to find as it's still in production, but the JSP one had a hangar deck. Aurora made one in 1/600, but it's long, long out of production. Any of these will be beastly expensive, which is why my HMS Nassau isn't going to happen unless the lottery comes through.
Thanks Joe I'll have to keep an eye out for the Dragon LHA
All the best
Steve
QuoteThanks Joe I'll have to keep an eye out for the Dragon LHA
Steve
Buy an Italeri USS Nassau its the same kit as the dragon Pellieu but half the price !!!!!. I've probably got one in the stash somewhere. - Yep got a spare draogn Kit if required.
BTW Joe i sold an Aurora Guadalcanal a month or two ago on ebay - sorry.
Cheers
Geoff
QuoteBTW Joe i sold an Aurora Guadalcanal a month or two ago on ebay - sorry.
Cheers
Geoff
S'OK. No good Harriers or helos in that scale anyway.
QuoteS'OK. No good Harriers or helos in that scale anyway.
Well the Pitroad ones are a bit overscale so some of them are fine (Sea kings), and hopefully Peter Hall will get his Atlantic models 1/600 Airgroups going, soon
Cheers
Geoff B B)
Just been looking at the WEM range of 1/700th aircraft and I think I can spend £50 on them alone :o ;) :P B) Cool, this going to be fun, Fun, Fun, Fun, the wonderful thing about tiger's is that tiger's are wonderful things :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
I think I've decided to go with the Japanese supercarrier. I'm going to try to find a Testors or Italeri USS America or Kitty Hawk and load it up with a late 1970s airgroup from the Skywave "West Wings" sets. I thought about a 2005 version, but I prefer the look of the old mixed airgroup over a deckload of just F/A-18s and H-60s.
Where can I find a useful list of plane models by scale? I'm thinking maybe to also do a set of the aircraft, but I don't want a really big display, just 1/144 or 1/100 at most. I'm looking for: F-4, A-4, A-7, E-2, S-2, SH-3.
Onward and if-ward!
Geoff,
Here's something about the Dragon Tarawa....?
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships...awa/tarawa.html (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/amphib/700-tarawa/tarawa.html)
and the Revell Wasp - looks like this has harriers/ospreys...
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships...-wasp/wasp.html (http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/amphib/700-wasp/wasp.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.modelwarships.com%2Freviews%2Fships%2Fmisc%2Famphib%2F700-wasp%2Flhd-02-01.jpg&hash=e4e3eb194d5481e2ed7ee90c8a6067be3f48bb53)
this quote (about the revell wasp) says some important stuff, possibly...
"The kit comes on 5 sprues molded in light grey styrene and is only waterline. The casting is very well done, very little flash and crisp details. The details are not in the same league as the Japanese manufacturers, but not bad. Definitely on par with the DML Tarawa and better than the old Revell 1/720 Tarawa. The island details match fairly well with published pictures. "
hope it helps...
ben
Hi Geoff P
The revell Wasp is the newer type LHA and the dragon/Italeri Tarwaw class are the earlier LHD. The best kit is probably th later versions by Dragon/Italeri as they have Harriers and RAM missile launchers. The Revell WASPO also has thes but they have been noted as being a bit on the Small side. The V-22 in the Revell kit are also really under scale so WEM replacements are a must. Avoid the Mini-Hobbies or Wasan version as this is a bad motorised copy of the Dragon kit (however i have got the hull checked for doing the new Spanish LHD when i get chance).
Cheers
GeoffB
Now this is what you really want !!!! (http://groups.msn.com/ModelShips/geoffsships.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=45)
QuoteJoe,
Try Hobby Link Japan. www.hlj.com/
Click on "Naval Accessories".
Does anyone know what the Revell Tarawa class models are like? One has AV-8B's and V-22's in it. :huh:
HLJ, duh! Of course! :blink:
The Revell Tarawa/Saipan LHA is soft and blurry, with limited detail. The DML/Dragon one and its Italeri copy is much better, finer and more detail.
The Revell Wasp LHD is much better. Not Tamiya/Skywave detailed, but more than adequate, and if you feel like really detailing it up there are photo-etch detail sets. But replace the Harriers and Ospreys with WEM versions; they're better and more in scale.
JoeP
You know, with all the ideas that have been thrown into the hat over this new group build, I have a problem in that I have no real idea of what to do that would'nt be plagarising someone else here. apart from my BAe 146 ideas, I'm as dry as a desert river bed in the ideas dept. It's MOST frustrating. :angry: :angry: :angry:
I've got a dumb one...
is the USS Ticonderoga an Arliegh Burke class ?
Sprue Bros. had them on sale at 12 bucks, and it's 350 scale ! Also, the new Iowa is 26......
Mmmm....more ships !
Quoteis the USS Ticonderoga an Arliegh Burke class
Nope its a Ticonderoga class, which was basically a Spruance class destroyer hull with a revised superstructure for the Aegis Radar system and LR SAM.
The arleight burkes are an improved design of Aegis destroyers now replacing the spruances.
As to kits the Dragon one is OK, but some of the chinese copies which are cheaper are more motorised toy versions.
Not sure on your Iowa, in 1/350 i would expect it to be dearer but i expect it might be the Revell one.
Thor B)
Hey Lancer,
don't worry about it chap - its not like any two models are going to wind up looking the same anyway...besides, its not as though any of us (i know i'm speaking for a lot of people here, but i know for sure that i wouldn't be upset if you used one of my ideas - and if you had an idea that i did, but didn'r realise it, i wouldn't call it plagerism, i'd call it great minds thinking alike!) would be offended or anything silly like that.
BTW, i for one would like to see the Bae 146 ideas when they are done - i've always been keen on one as a freighter, a "mini c-17" if you will, but the aew and maritime versions are jolly appealing...
don't sweat it dude, just build....
ben :tornado:
a possible "sea-lizard" cammo scheme for my multirole sea viggens....
QuoteBTW, i for one would like to see the Bae 146 ideas when they are done - i've always been keen on one as a freighter, a "mini c-17" if you will, but the aew and maritime versions are jolly appealing...
The Revell BAe-146-100 1/144 scale kit has a refuelling probe included which sits above the cockpit but as cargo firms wouldn't use it I don't see why it was included.
A quick Google shows that there's two different boxarts, one for an orange TNT Express/Australian Airlines and another for the STA Transporter (this definitely includes the probe). I think both sets include the probe, can anyone confirm?
Nick B)
retro, thats a neat scheme, but how are you gunna paint it??? :o
Quotea possible "sea-lizard" cammo scheme for my multirole sea viggens....
Doc, I see a dragon chasing a fair maiden through the Balck Forest.......
Oh, I thought that was one of those ink-blot tests !
Har-har-har........
My local shop has two types of BAe 146s, Airfix and Revell, and I want to buy them both !
Never thought of their COD potential, tho......
with gin to steady my hand, and a whole lot of fecking masking.
ack. :wacko:
see, its the lizard that's been putting me off building may viggens in my life - i mean, i can build these things but i paint like a bepper...still, its my DUTY to make a fight of it and do what i can...
ack ack... :wacko: :wacko:
i've been nosing around various model sites, and they all mask and spray, and then remask, and then make a smooth finish with varnish...nothing new there, just a bit fiddlier for lizard then regular cammo i guess...
i'll give it a shot... :huh:
better get a 1/48 or 1/72 viggen though first...it'll be a bit too tough for my 1/144's....lol...they'll just be basic colours i think... :P
soooooooo...
i was just thinking...
its POSSIBLE....MAYBE....that i could print some big decal sheets of my new cammo and cut them to shape...
apply them to wings and fuselage...
touch up w/paints...
*winces*
maybe not :dum: :dum: :dum: :dum:
Swedish splinter camo is easy! well, not exactly, but my Forsvarsmakten Merlin is almost complete and I hand painted it all in Vallejo acylics... if you were doing a 'proper' Viggen or whatever, you'd have to make sure you got all the colours in the right places but in What If land you can just freestyle it! :rolleyes:
for real Swedish camo I think they are painted dark green, then black, then mid green, then sand. Just use a fine-ish brush and keep the paint quite thin and outline a section at a time before filling in with the rest of the colour. Just make sure you get nice straight lines & sharp corners...
y'see it's easy...
:huh:
Quotey'see it's easy...
ah, you SO funny!! :ph34r:
ahem.
sure thing mikey - we'll see, we'll see....i'll be giving it a shot though, i feel i HAVE to.
*considers it* :huh:
i'll still need gin i think. :cheers:
and maybe some music to steady me - today's recommendation is Red Morning Light by The Kings of Leon...great stuff!
Well, my RCN 2000 stuff will fit in this group build, kewl!!!
:wub:
Indeed Olivier,
can't wait to see them - particularly your folded up Typhoon!
You won't be disapointed!
:D