seen that there was no topic for the NH90 yet, thought i make one.
with revell releasing the NFH and the TTH (already available for some time), what are the whiff posibilities of this helicopter.
ive already seen artwork for Special Forces versions, ect.
i have noticed that revell has kept the original prototype noses/parts in the sprue.
i think those would make a great civilian version, stripped of all military equipment, would be pretty good for off-shore oilrig flights, policework, fire fighting, intercity Shuttle, VVIP....
would give Eurocopter a good replacement for the AS332 and EC225, maybe under the designation EC190 or EC290 ;D
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Stealth version a la the modified Black Hawk used in Pakistan?
Martin
AH-90 "Devil" or "Eurohind":
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NH-90 with Tiger front
Regards,
Greg
Well a good Whiff would be Royal Navy and British Army variants as they were in the program but dropped out and have gone with their smaller Wildcat instead.
from chatting with NH.90 pilots at the recent Turku and Kauhava shows, the Finnish Army have a requirement for a CSAR. variant with, initially, IR. suppressant exhausts, door mounted guns, and to follow, stores pylons for fuel and weapons. a provisional requirement is for in flight refuelling capability too :blink:
Be interesting to see NH90 as a Puma HC1 replacement for the RAF
I've been tempted by the NH90,thinking about getting it and Turning it into an ASR(Air Sea Rescue) unit. Think it would work for that? or as a Customs Enforcement Helo? just some ideas for Cosndieration. Dan
Quote from: DarrenP on January 12, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
Be interesting to see NH90 as a Puma HC1 replacement for the RAF
I thought that was the role of the Merlin?
Quote from: rickshaw on January 12, 2012, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: DarrenP on January 12, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
Be interesting to see NH90 as a Puma HC1 replacement for the RAF
I thought that was the role of the Merlin?
Nope the MMerlin replaced the Wessex in RAF service as a Troop Transport, The Puma's soldier on still although they should have been replaced by the Blackhawks and then NH-90, before both deals were cancelled. They will probably eventually end up with some form of Augusta/Westland A139/149 variant to keep the Yeovil factory ticking over once the Wildcat have replaced the Lynx.
The Merlin HC-3 will tansfer over to Royal Navy control in the near future as replacements for the Sea King Commandos, although they should have actually replaced them during the noughties with New Build HC-3 configured for naval ops by the previous Govt :banghead:
Australian NH-90 woes. (http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/asd/2012/01/10/02.xml&headline=Australian%20NH90%20Delayed%20Further)
Maybe given the cost of Navalising the Merlin I suspect that project may stop. There will be a great availability of Sea King spares so I could see HC4 soldiering on for a while longer. Especially if the Puma HC2 work stop rumours are correct.
nope, SDSR has laid down the law. Sea Kings are going (all of them) by 2016. Pumas are going to run their course and be dropped at some point. The Merlins ARE going to be prised from the RAF and will be upgraded/modified for naval use (which frankly they should have been from the start).
So apart from the Wokkas, what choppers will the RAF have?
Sounds like it could look a bit empty at Benson before much longer...........
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
So apart from the Wokkas, what choppers will the RAF have?
Sounds like it could look a bit empty at Benson before much longer...........
Thats it Chinooks, Merlins in the Navy and Wildcat split between Navy & Army
However i wouldn't be surprised to see an Augusta Westaland order for AW149 to replace the Pumas eventually, to keep Yeovil ticking over after the Wildcat program is complete
So who's going to cover SAR around the country then?
Or does the fact that we have no Nimrods to search at long range negate the need for actually rescuing anyone who happens to b e in trouble? :banghead:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2012, 02:07:25 PM
So who's going to cover SAR around the country then?
Or does the fact that we have no Nimrods to search at long range negate the need for actually rescuing anyone who happens to b e in trouble? :banghead:
Thats going to be done on a relaunched Coast Gaurd Contract this time not a PFI
'Accountants Ruke OK' yet again........
With the Accountants in charge it won't be "Can we resue them" but "Is it cost effective to rescue them?" :wacko:
Make all boat owners have insurance for a start just like car owners have to but the main thing is that the RAF SAF Squadrons were set up to recuse downed pilots not civillians and its something that they drifted into doing. I still don't understand that as the Air Ambulances in the UK can't fly at night then why can't the Police helicopters do the dual roll as they do in the rest of the world.
ok, i think were getting off topic here :-\
same Situation in Belgium, our SAR unit was also set up to rescue downed pilots over the north sea.
but how many times does a pilot crash these days, by the way, civilian SAR is used as a secondary role and it helps to keep the crews proficient.
here in Belgium its different, here the SAR pos were shifted from secondary to primary, mostly because its a more important and recurring role, also because our Defence Force has to be here for the people, thats one reason why we pay taxes for it.
this year, we are also expecting our first NH90-NFH, to replace the Seaking Mk48 in the SAR role, and the Allouete III on board our naval ships.
anyways back on topic...
what are the possibilities of a SpecOps NH90, or maybe even a civilian Coast Guard version (stripped of its military gear) ;D
Quote from: Caveman on January 14, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
nope, SDSR has laid down the law. Sea Kings are going (all of them) by 2016. Pumas are going to run their course and be dropped at some point. The Merlins ARE going to be prised from the RAF and will be upgraded/modified for naval use (which frankly they should have been from the start).
problem is the reinforced floor the RAF insisted on is so heavy the airframe had to be stripped to bare minimum things like tie down points etc. Adding a folding rotor head and tail both add weight so the HC3 may be less capable than expected. Which is infuriating as the Italian Navy already has a amphibious assualt version in service!
just something i found yesterday, could be a good reffererce.
this is Belgium's first NH90NFH on the assemblyline in Donauworth, Germany.
note the new Low-Vis markings and finflash, the fisrt time im seeing something like this on a Belgian aircraft.
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Great shot of the production line ! Something about helos in hangars just does it for me.....
I've got the Maritime bird in the stash, thinking replacement for the ill-fated-neverending Cyclone.
Thats one project the UK should never of pulled out of but as a Whiffer that will change. :thumbsup:
Picture, First Belgian TTH model has flown 2 days ago ;D
cant wait to see one of these fly over my house :rolleyes:
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been lucky enough to get a ride in a standard trooping configured NH.90 (yip complete with plywood covering to save damaging the floor!) i can say its an impressive helicopter (compared to for eg. the Puma) a smooth ride, fast, and doesnt seem all that noisy either even with the cabin doors open.
i can envisage the type being in service for a long time to come, maybe even with the RAF. as a Puma replacement once the production lines have closed ! :wacko:
Cheers, Joe
Quote from: TsrJoe on September 20, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
i can say its an impressive helicopter (compared to for eg. the Puma) a smooth ride, fast, and doesnt seem all that noisy either even with the cabin doors open.
And do it should be, it's 30-40 years newer! ;D :lol:
How did you manage that Joe, friends in high places?
I'm thinking Finnish friends. ;D
i have a question.
im planning on building a SpecOps version of the NH90, using a TTH kit with parts from a revell 1/72 HH-60G Pavehawk.
is there anything i particular this aircraft would need for Special Ops (asside from a bigger nose radar and a refueling probe) :-\
Guns and Hellfires?
Door guns. Long range tanks either internal or external. Upturned exhausts for IR supression (some variants have this already, I think they come in the Revell TTH boxing).
theres already a customer option of cabin mounted miniguns for the NH.90 in the CSAR. role, taken up by a number of nations, including recently Finland.
a speculative 'special ops' role equipped version would probably have an IFR. probe, IR. shielded exhausts, and the side mounted weapons pylons as standard for extra fuel and/or weapons
csar. mockup pics ... http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?11843-nh-90-c-sar
csar. model pics ... http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=127043
NH.90 door gun ... http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?74283-Nh-90/page42
cheers, Joe
i recall seeing a drawing (or even a mockup pic?) prior to prototype definition of an NH.90 with a refuelling probe, i cant recall where tho, Flight ? anyone ?
cheers, Joe
Belgium recieved its first NFH variant 2 days ago.
im gonna start building this one very soon and hopefully i will get to ride in this one in the future ;D
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Time for a Thread revival :thumbsup:
I've got a Revell NH90 (Navy) version and want to do a SAR version,
what sort of stuff would a modern SAR Helicopter carry?
would it have a separate Radar/winchman?
might it carry extra liferafts etc on pylons?
Stretchers and or seats? I take it FLIR is good; anything else?
By the way this one is not going into the danger zone, so doesn't need self defence stuff,
although i guess provision for might be an idea?
Looking forward to your ideas :cheers:
Regards
Keith
Straight search and rescue choppers carry a loadmaster and often a parajumper who gets in the water to rescue the victim(s). It would have at a minimum a winch and occassionally a rescue basket on the larger choppers. It would carry at least one extra liferaft, I expect, plus a large red-cross kit. Stretchers more than likely plus seating (which is often removed in hot and high environments/combat). Extra external fuel tanks are likely for extended range/time on station. At a minimum it would carry a FLIR and more than likely radar.
SAR equipment for the NH90 is pretty simple.
here in Belgium, the standard SAR equipment (asside from the NH90-NFH's standard radar and FLIR camera) is medical equipment in the rear ofthe cargo and an SX-16 NightSun searchlight (as seen being factory tested in Germany, on a Belgian NH90-NFH)
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Cool. Love this helicopter
:cheers:
NFH in cost guard colors :wub: wasn't me :rolleyes:
Like this?
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yep something like that exactly but i think it was the AW101 Merlin with the same colors :banghead:
well, that didnt take long, apparently Belgium is the first country to retire the NH90-TTH, and that after only 7 years of service.
apparently, the high operating costs, lack of industrial support, late spares supplies and low availablility (due to the too few ordered, only 4) have urged the BAF to retire them early and put them up for sale. the 4 NFH versions would be retained for maretime ops and SAR. replacement is rumored to be the H145M (10 or 15 to be ordered, to replace the remaining 8 Agusta A109's aswell). i always said that 4 of each version is way too few (if you count downtime for maintanance and repairs, wich means A LOT).
https://www.overtdefense.com/2020/06/24/belgium-considering-cutting-back-nh90-troop-transport-helicopter-operations/
so, anyone wanna buy nearly new secondhand NH90's? :-\
New Zealand maybe?