Still laid up with a serious backache but I've been fiddling with a lightning:
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Anyone guess where I'm going with this ;)? Could easily go pear-shaped so please don't expect miracles.
Yes you have........blimey....something asymmetrical...??? :unsure:
Bv-38?
On the right track with the BV- designation ;D. Great fun all round. Might call it a Nockneed....?
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Now this will look good
Time to put the kids to bed but here's progress...carry on maybe Sat :-\
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I think I'm going through a seaplane thing. Built a Catalina Ekranoplan some years ago....might revisit that area.
The propeller/spinner is a temporary fit....will be five-bladed.
aargh ... a floatplane!
:cheers:
on top of the already flabbergasting!
:drink:
what will come next?
:blink:
congratulations!!!
Quote from: ericr on March 14, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
aargh ... a floatplane!
:cheers:
on top of the already flabbergasting!
:drink:
what will come next?
:blink:
congratulations!!!
Rotor(s) on top? :o This is great.
Quote from: Librarian on March 14, 2013, 01:01:47 PMBuilt a Catalina Ekranoplan some years ago....
:o Got any (link to) pics of that??
Loving the build, by the way :thumbsup:
Sadly not. I built it during one of my long battles with the "Black Dog" and broke it up shortly after (my son still hasn't forgiven me as he wanted it)...part of a creator/destroyer dark mindset I was in. Fear not as I intend to rebuild...it was great fun. Will post an update photo soon...gone over to a twin mainfloat as I was deeply unhappy with the single float concept....probably would have sunk.
Here we go...frees up the mainplane for some ordnance. This is based on the P-38M with rear cockpit. Observer will have a periscope ( a la a-26 Invader) for aiming the rear stinger behind the engine. I think It's mainly a scout/recon/torp concept giving the pilot and observer a clearer view.
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The floats are from a Seiran and the engine cowling from a P-51A...other bits courtesy of the spares box.
That's so TOTALLY crazy that it's brilliant! :thumbsup: :bow:
Worthy of Dr. Richard Vogt at his very best.
Oh yeah, Tophe will LOVE it too! ;D
A high honour :bow:. I find myself in deep admiration of his designs. Really want to have a go at a pushmepullyou spitfire one day. Thanks for the kind comments all.
bonkers :lol:
be fun when you pulled the trigger and drew a line from left to right :wacko:
Funny thing is, that's been bothering me. Would need some kind of automatic spoiler over port to counteract. I suppose if you're torping a ship you kick the rudder anyway to keep the gunners heads down.
My uncle flew some missions with the IID (?) Hurricane and told me of a hair-raising incident when the 40mm guns went out of sync....nearly took his rudder off :-\!
Quote from: Librarian on March 15, 2013, 08:06:58 AMHere we go...frees up the mainplane for some ordnance. This is based on the P-38M with rear cockpit. Observer will have a periscope ( a la a-26 Invader) for aiming the rear stinger behind the engine. I think It's mainly a scout/recon/torp concept giving the pilot and observer a clearer view.
One thing I don't see working well so far is the tail - it's position and size.
In their own "Float-lightning" design Lockheed changed the original tail -
QuoteOne problem that needed to be addressed was the tail section. The tail would pose problems during takeoff and landing on the water. One way to address this problem was to raise the entire tail section. Wind tunnel tests revealed minimal performance loss.
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Now you chopped up one of the tails, leaving the second one in it's original size. :rolleyes: I wonder if the a/c can turn at all...
But still, "This is a whiffer's world..." as James Brown sang ...or something similar at least ;D . I like the "loon".
That would certainly make sense. A hard water landing would probably have caused serious metal fatigue to the original boom, as thin as it was. I considered replacing the tail early on (still am to be honest) but nowadays its all in the building and a little more in the whiffie. In my world Australia is a nature reserve populated by Dinosaurs ;D.
Quote from: Librarian on March 15, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
In my world Australia is a nature reserve populated by Dinosaurs ;D.
Ouch, you could be playing with fire there!!! :o
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 15, 2013, 11:05:44 AM
Quote from: Librarian on March 15, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
In my world Australia is a nature reserve populated by Dinosaurs ;D.
Ouch, you could be playing with fire there!!! :o
it isnt far off ;D
Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 15, 2013, 08:37:54 AM
That's so TOTALLY crazy that it's brilliant! :thumbsup: :bow:
Worthy of Dr. Richard Vogt at his very best.
Oh yeah, Tophe will LOVE it too! ;D
Sorry, I see this topic lately, but yes, I love it! :wub: :wub: :wub:
Ok, that tail got to me so I've enlarged it :lol::
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Haven't decided thw colour-scheme yet but I may stick with Forest Green/Shieldmen squadron...
Wonderful, more and more! :bow:
Spent most of the weekend flat on my back for all the wrong reasons :banghead:. Accomplished some painting and detail work, notably the periscope in the rear cockpit:
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Putting off the dreaded canopy painting 'til the last minute.
Great! :thumbsup:
Have you changed the propeller for a 6-bladed one? :unsure: :lol:
Five-bladed...a Spit resin replacement. Trying to decide whether to have it cockpit open or closed :unsure:.
This just about sums up how I feel about the whole whatifry game:
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Academy's lightning has one of the worst fitting canopies I have ever encountered....getting there though!!!
OK, she's finally finished :party:. Always liked the SEAC blues, works well with the green scheme:
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I like the way the rear stinger worked out although putting together the whole cockpit periscope thing was a pain. A good forward arnament with a centerline torp rounds her off...great fun all round:
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Got something really mad coming next ;D.
Quote from: Librarian on March 19, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
OK, she's finally finished :party:. Always liked the SEAC blues, works well with the green scheme:
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I like the way the rear stinger worked out although putting together the whole cockpit periscope thing was a pain. A good forward arnament with a centerline torp rounds her off...great fun all round:
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Got something really mad coming next ;D.
:blink: :o Something MORE mad?!?!?!
Delicious, I will try drawing it in my collection, thanks! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow: :blink: ;D
deliciously astonishing indeed! <_<
and the painting scheme is not the least weird, with the black cutting off a roundel? :o
Quote from: Tophe on March 19, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
Delicious, I will try drawing it
Is this simplified sketch acceptable? or wrong?
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Oh yes, and wow :wub:! She actually looks flyable (almost). Tophe, you're going to love the next project :rolleyes:.
Thats come out well
Awesome work......!!!! :thumbsup:
That's great - in a bonkers kind of way.... ;) :thumbsup:
One of these years I'm going to do something like that but with another engine on the back of the cockpit pod.
What a brilliant concept and masterfully executed! :bow:
Very nice ! Neat idea too. I liked the original float combo better, but I guess this way makes more sense.
Great job !
:cheers:
Haven't really committed myself to anything new since the return from Hols but I really wanted to upgrade this rather unique aircraft. I didn't like the colour scheme, mission plan, original vertical tail and angle of floats. The nose section has been replaced with the part for the droopsnoot, tail replaced, floats re-angled and colour scheme changed. New contraprop for better stability etc:
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Putting some serious thought into doing the same with a Mustang...the wing roots present quite a challenge ;D.
:wub: :wub: Wonderful, thanks to put this one again on top of the list "to do"... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on September 17, 2013, 09:39:17 AM
:wub: :wub: Wonderful, thanks to put this one again on top of the list "to do"... :thumbsup:
Hi Tophe. Many thanks. Do you have any drawings for an asymmetric P-51. I need some inspiration.
Our friend ericr built a genius asymmetric float-Mustang. I may check where it is on this site. And I made several asymmetric Mustang drawings. Most is on my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Suite_Mustangs_V.htm
Quote from: Tophe on September 17, 2013, 10:19:42 AM
Our friend ericr built a genius asymmetric float-Mustang. I may check where it is on this site.
at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,4461.945.html (thanks again ericr) :wub:
OH MY GOD!! Fantastic stuff, don't know where to begin. Thanks for all, very inspirational.
A little summary for you:
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(from P-82 and P-51)
Quote from: Tophe on September 17, 2013, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: Tophe on September 17, 2013, 10:19:42 AM
Our friend ericr built a genius asymmetric float-Mustang. I may check where it is on this site.
at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,4461.945.html (thanks again ericr) :wub:
ah, thanks a lot for the appreciation :rolleyes:
my assymetric Mustang has less balanced floats than this P-38,
which is even greater with the Droop nose indeed, especially doubles-up with the twin seat :
does that make a three-crew P-38?
Pilot, observer and gunner....I was going to delete the rear gunner and his remote barbette but I can't....like it too much.
So many ideas for the Mustang now.... ;D.
I like the plan for the pushmepullyou flying ring. I have a rotodome from a defunct Hawkeye that might just work :wacko:.
Inspired by your asymmetric floatplanes, Librarian and Ericr, I have drawn/"designed" this morning new asymmetric flying boats, Hamburger Ha-139 and Ha-141...
Thanks again! :lol:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_BV138_d.JPG in my collection at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/twin_boom_whatif_1939_45.htm )
Quote from: Tophe on September 19, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
Inspired by your asymmetric floatplanes, Librarian and Ericr, I have drawn/"designed" this morning new asymmetric flying boats, Hamburger Ha-139 and Ha-141...
Thanks again! :lol:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_BV138_d.JPG in my collection at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/twin_boom_whatif_1939_45.htm )
waahh! :thumbsup:
it seems do-able with some BV138 models, but with quite a lot of skills ...
Quote from: ericr on September 19, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: Tophe on September 19, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
Inspired by your asymmetric floatplanes, Librarian and Ericr, I have drawn/"designed" this morning new asymmetric flying boats, Hamburger Ha-139 and Ha-141...
Thanks again! :lol:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_BV138_d.JPG in my collection at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/twin_boom_whatif_1939_45.htm )
waahh! :thumbsup:
it seems do-able with some BV138 models, but with quite a lot of skills ...
And a lot of time too.
I've been working on the Bv-138 PIII planned asymmetric prototype for 2-3 YEARS now and it's hard work. One day............ :banghead:
Quote from: Tophe on March 19, 2013, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Tophe on March 19, 2013, 12:31:33 PM
Delicious, I will try drawing it
Is this simplified sketch acceptable? or wrong?
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Back to the delicious Mystery P-38... I have tried to update my drawing:
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Quote from: Tophe on September 19, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
Inspired by your asymmetric floatplanes, Librarian and Ericr, I have drawn/"designed" this morning new asymmetric flying boats, Hamburger Ha-139 and Ha-141...
Thanks again! :lol:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_BV138_d.JPG in my collection at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/twin_boom_whatif_1939_45.htm )
That is a plane I long for in 1/48....I think you need a mortgage for the MPM(?) kit...come on Airfix, take a break from British thoroughbreds for awhile and steal a lead on our Chinese friends :thumbsup:.
After a short spell away from the workbench (dining table in my Wife's vocab ;D), the POA-38Q is completed:
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Got a bit distracted by the MARVELLOUS F-35 :rolleyes: and toying about with the Mustang. That's next...... :wacko:.
I have always been a fan of the P38 ,,been a fav of mine for years and what you have done here is pure brilliance ,,i would fly this ;D
Totally cool <_<
Phill
That's nice :thumbsup:
My mind is TOTALLLY boggled! :thumbsup: :bow:
Tophe will ADORE it for sure! ;D
Yes, I do adore this POA-38Q very very much!!! :wub: :wub: :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
PS. What is the POA code standing for? Pursuit-Observation-Attack?
Thanks for all the kind comments.
POA = Patrol Observation Attack.
After the fossa I agreed the cluster bombs looked too much like short range torpedoes so I've swapped them over (the Fossa has some smaller bombs now).
Going to have to redo the decals 'cos I've completely forgotten to varnish first...what a mogwai :banghead:.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 20, 2013, 08:01:49 AM
Quote from: ericr on September 19, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: Tophe on September 19, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
Inspired by your asymmetric floatplanes, Librarian and Ericr, I have drawn/"designed" this morning new asymmetric flying boats, Hamburger Ha-139 and Ha-141...
Thanks again! :lol:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_BV138_d.JPG in my collection at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/twin_boom_whatif_1939_45.htm )
waahh! :thumbsup:
it seems do-able with some BV138 models, but with quite a lot of skills ...
And a lot of time too.
I've been working on the Bv-138 PIII planned asymmetric prototype for 2-3 YEARS now and it's hard work. One day............ :banghead:
I really meant "quite a lot of skill" indeed! :bow:
Quote from: Librarian on September 24, 2013, 05:02:21 AM
After a short spell away from the workbench (dining table in my Wife's vocab ;D), the POA-38Q is completed:
I double up all compliments above!
and I add a special mention for the Snoopy on the float leg :thumbsup:
Soooo upset. Had to strip Snoopy Airways off the leg for the varnishing. Everything had severely silvered and no amount of setting solution was helping. Anyone got an Xtradecal sheet in 1/48 for the U-2 they'd like to donate to a good cause ;D.
This is one of my all time favourite examples of nose art and oh so wrong in today's climate....can you imagine the furore it would have caused during the Gulf War :blink:.
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NOW she's finished. Went for a Marines machine but had to get rid of the red. I just don't like the colour too much and I was trying to cure myself :banghead::
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Fun with Lightnings....hmmm, what next :rolleyes::
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For just a few ideas, do you know my Lightning site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit ?
I will draw your radial-engine square-fins P-38, also, what is her name?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on September 25, 2013, 09:48:34 AM
For just a few ideas, do you know my Lightning site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit ?
I will draw your radial-engine square-fins P-38, also, what is her name?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
She's called the OA-38N, a Fast Fac. Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the name!
Can you explain further this OA-38N? With radial engines (air-cooled?), what are the (usual) "coolers" on the rear of the booms for? Another device? Or is this a prototype using standard parts from the P-38 production line? :unsure: ;D
Although she's only carrying smoke rocket pods she can carry offensive weapons as well (and has a single 7.62mm minigun in the nose) so I gave her the Observation Attack designation.
The scoops were kept 'cos:
1) They equate to the wing scoops on an F4U or cowlings on other aircraft. I wanted to keep the cowlings clean.
2) I like them ;D
I'll find a link to the original build and send post it.
Quote from: Librarian on September 26, 2013, 12:41:32 AM
I'll find a link to the original build and send post it.
The Search tool of what-if modelers does not find OA-38N, nor Google on the whole Web. Where could I look for it (I am willing to help if you have no time searching yourself)
This should do it.
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37314.0.html
Thanks a lot for this precious link. ;D
Holy ! Another one !
:wub:
And why has this not been put forward for a whiffie I have to ask...???? :unsure:
Done!
The POA-38Q ( :wub:) is now included in the History of asymmetric aircraft (see at the end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Asymm_addition.htm ).
Thanks again! :thumbsup:
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Thanks to everyone. I really enjoy the asymetrics more than most but ideas are a bit thin. Going to have a really good long look through Tophe's page for inspiration....just noticed that Special Hobby have released in 1/48 the He115. Now there lies a contender ;D.
Thanks for this idea. I have drawed tonight an asymmetric He-115 at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20326.msg613906.html#new but not as 3-view cause it seems almost impossible to build... Let your imagination fly, Librarian, and tell us how to do. ;D
Quote from: Librarian on September 25, 2013, 05:53:41 AM
NOW she's finished. Went for a Marines machine but had to get rid of the red. I just don't like the colour too much and I was trying to cure myself :banghead::
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Fun with Lightnings....hmmm, what next :rolleyes::
I think this is excellent Tophe I really do.
One thing though. Do you think on a real aircraft the combination of large tail fin placed atop such a narrow boom section might result in tail separation in a tight turn? Maybe a fillet attached to the fin would alleviate this?
:o :thumbsup: (to both of them)