Yeah, I know canards were around long before the Viggen, but it's such a cool aircraft that I'll use it as the poster-child for the concept. So, here it is: envision any well-known aircraft that could be modified with canards, and possibly an extended forward fuselage to accommodate them. I've often thought about doing it to a Vulcan, and recently the Javelin and F-106 came to mind. For some reason it seems more natural with a delta, but it wouldn't be required. We already know it was done with a few aircraft, the Kfir is the obvious one, and experimental versions of the F-4 and F-15.
Post pics, build a model, or just speculate, but VIGGENIZE IT!
Javelin concept, note that I just moved the horizontal stabiliser from the tail to the nose.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv474%2FDaveBailey%2FModels%2FJavelincanard_zps9e572b9e.jpg&hash=321ce0f088b0aeef2082bcdef83a3ff2f5edb4fc) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DaveBailey/media/Models/Javelincanard_zps9e572b9e.jpg.html)
Scale-O-Rama Bombcorde fighter, never got around to tweaking the front and side views
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv474%2FDaveBailey%2FModels%2FConcordefightersideintakejpg.jpg&hash=c3c8379b031a0b9f9f2e80d3322c825ebfbaceba) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DaveBailey/media/Models/Concordefightersideintakejpg.jpg.html)
Quote from: The Rat on August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AMI've often thought about doing it to a Vulcan, and recently the Javelin and F-106 came to mind.
Convair beat you to it, by about 60 years :wacko:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.f-106deltadart.com%2Fphoto_gallery%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2FF-106X-%2528C-D-E-F%2529%2FF-106C%2520Super%2520Dart%2520Conceptional%2520Drawing%2520.jpg%3Fm%3D1391303343&hash=c58009e0fe6dd887c89a805ed0de3944a9b2e09e)
QuoteThe F-106X (Model 8-28/8-29) was a 1956 design study for a Delta Dart follow-on. This study envisaged an interceptor with a canard layout that was powered by a JT4B-22 turbojet fed by rectangular air intakes. It was envisaged as an alternative to the Lockheed YF-12 (later SR-71), and was to have had a fire control system with "look-down, shoot-down" capability fed by a 40-inch radar dish. The F-106X was extremely advanced for its time with Mach 5 performance envisaged.
F-106C/D/X (http://www.f-106deltadart.com/history.htm#F-106C/D%20Models)
Cool! :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Rat on August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AM
Javelin concept, note that I just moved the horizontal stabiliser from the tail to the nose.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv474%2FDaveBailey%2FModels%2FJavelincanard_zps9e572b9e.jpg&hash=321ce0f088b0aeef2082bcdef83a3ff2f5edb4fc) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DaveBailey/media/Models/Javelincanard_zps9e572b9e.jpg.html)
The Flatiron may well have flown better arranged like that! ;D
Ya canards always look cool ! The F-106 looks wicked. Might as well do an F-102 as well eh ?
:thumbsup:
Unbelievable
I have a viggen-ized MiG-23 on the (long agenda). Don't laugh, it's a real concept from China - one of the many evolutionaly steps of the stillborn J-9 fighter. At some time it looked like this:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F1%2F11%2FJ9VII-IIwindtunnel.jpg&hash=4e995e1d8d0fb7fb747bee90415a28f964da162f)
Isn't that the MiG-25 looking version?
Reviving this thread to add something Tophe is planning: http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44542.0/topicseen.html (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44542.0/topicseen.html)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2Fjaguaguar.jpg&hash=d919f22869ba42a6e26338b3f7f72ee52dff180f)
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.
Also, a quick jog around my hard drive produced this long-forgotten little number:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4679/39335206852_814f84e51f_z.jpg)
Quote from: Weaver on December 28, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.
Pretty sure that somewhere on my desktop computer I have a concept illustration I did years ago, Vulcan with a fuselage extension and canards.
I refer the Right Honourable Gentleman to my earlier reply. :)
(https://i.imgur.com/UoXCGFe.png)
Nice one! :thumbsup:
I was just considering Viggenizing/Canardifying an F-8 Crusader funnily enough. However I think I'd exploit the deep fuselage by having the main wing set low and the canard set high, just behind the cockpit.
A canard F-18E/F would be a good project: kinda like a scaled-up big-brother of the Gripen, in the same mould as the Mirage 2000/4000 combo.
The Airfix Lightning I just finished (due for beauty pics today) has Viggen DNA. But not in the way you are thinking.
Rat's Bombcorde pics above, host on PB (hwoick ptuii) were visible to me yesterday but today I just get the Greypeg of Extortion.
Quote from: Weaver on December 28, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Hmm, here's a thought: if they'd kept using Vulcans for low-level work a bit longer, and then done an extensive re-build/upgrade on them, you might have seen them fitted with small smart-canards for high-speed low-level gust alleviation, the concept being similar to the LARC (Low Altitude Ride Control) fins seen on the B-1.
Also, a quick jog around my hard drive produced this long-forgotten little number:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4679/39335206852_814f84e51f_z.jpg)
Is that based on a C-130?
Quote from: The Rat on August 06, 2014, 05:33:48 AM
Post pics, build a model, or just speculate, but VIGGENIZE IT!
Javelin concept, note that I just moved the horizontal stabiliser from the tail to the nose.
Or opposite is possible: Javelinize the Viggen? <_<
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2Fsaab-Viggen-Rear-Tail.jpg&hash=24ad74665ad039de0ef5830419e04db7d8bdb8db)
= link http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/saab-Viggen-Rear-Tail.jpg
Quote from: Tophe on April 11, 2021, 08:00:51 AM
Or opposite is possible: Javelinize the Viggen? <_<
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2Fsaab-Viggen-Rear-Tail.jpg&hash=24ad74665ad039de0ef5830419e04db7d8bdb8db)
That would cruel to the Viggen, you'd have to make the wings THICKER. :o
Uh, I am not engineer, this was just a joke about changing the foreplanes into tailplanes, not for actual flight, just for shelves (of crazy modelers) <_<
(there was a picture of mine, but I forgot to add the link, this is corrected now, as the pictures quite often don't work with the {img} tool, sorry)
That looks OK actually, I'd have hated to see a Viggen with Javelin wings!
What about a Javelin with Viggen wings?
Quote from: Scotaidh on April 11, 2021, 05:31:44 PM
What about a Javelin with Viggen wings?
That makes MUCH more sense! :thumbsup:
To build a picture of that it is not very easy: I should find bitmaps drawings of both planes at the same scale and resolution, or draw all again in vectorial drawing which is very long (even without panel lines). I will see if I find time later this week. :unsure:
That Hercules idea looks great ! Love to try that. Maybe VSTOL.
Viggenised Jaguar could work , how practical it would be I don't know, but it would look nice doing its bit at an airshow.
Quote from: chrisonord on April 14, 2021, 12:45:19 PM
Viggenised Jaguar could work
I have built one a few years ago, see https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44542.0.html ;)
EDIT: today (and quite often) pictures don't appear in this topic of mine, but they are the B62 group of pictures on my workbench site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/whif_workbench.htm
I'm beyond words impressed by your photo organisation :wub:
Quote from: Tophe on April 14, 2021, 09:06:32 PM
Quote from: chrisonord on April 14, 2021, 12:45:19 PM
Viggenised Jaguar could work
I have built one a few years ago, see https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,44542.0.html ;)
EDIT: today (and quite often) pictures don't appear in this topic of mine, but they are the B62 group of pictures on my workbench site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/whif_workbench.htm
Excellent stuff Tophe, and your picture set up is admirable :thumbsup:
Chris
Small contribution to the Canardize it topic.
Su-27 scale-o-rama ( Su-27 1/144 + viggen canard and wings 1/100 )
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/pKjQym.jpg)
Hawk 100 ala Typhoon
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49746177548_632c2109be_o.jpg)
Vulcan scale-o-rama ( vulcan 1/200 + su-47 1/144 )
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7818/47236238891_5540a1f6bc_o.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7912/47184133852_838ab350b3_o.jpg)
Tonka with mirage wings
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7857/32171914757_4bbeda5c9e_b.jpg)
EE Lightning ( f-15 wings + viggen canard )
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/950/41979351042_742150e622_o.jpg)
La-250 ( tailplane used as a canard, shorter fuselage, increased wing span and chord )
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49611556176_304a44ba47_o.png)
I also did a Jaguar with canards ( Aranha and Exocet ) .
And A-4, F-4, F-15, F-106, AMX among others...
BAGS of scope there! :thumbsup:
I LOVE the canard Vulcan! :wub:
I like the Delta Tonka...
Thanks for this batch of marvels :wub: Zero-Sen! :thumbsup:
They are very nice Zero Sen, and lots of potential builds there :thumbsup:
Chris
Thanks!
Canard Atlantic ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51119292847_49b8387d85_o.png)
lovely :wub:
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 16, 2021, 01:56:34 PM
Thanks!
Canard Atlantic ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51119292847_49b8387d85_o.png)
I think this might more accurately be called a "Libuella-form"?
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.gawkerassets.com%2Fimg%2F18caaij6jttv9jpg%2Foriginal.jpg&hash=3c7ff33f46f8ebe0e328611150a2cf90c7fb9fc9)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wardrawings.be%2FWW2%2FImages%2F2-Airplanes%2FAllies%2F3-UK%2F04-Bombers%2FMiles-M39B-Libellula%2FTopBelly.jpg&hash=d22657ec9c9f214c1a152316b522359d5bf0da3e)
Quote from: Scotaidh on April 17, 2021, 12:47:48 AM
I think this might more accurately be called a "Libuella-form"?
Agree, it was on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't quite get to it :rolleyes:
Does look neat whatever we call it though :thumbsup:
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 17, 2021, 04:33:58 AM
Quote from: Scotaidh on April 17, 2021, 12:47:48 AM
I think this might more accurately be called a "Libuella-form"?
Agree, it was on the tip of my tongue, but I couldn't quite get to it :rolleyes:
Does look neat whatever we call it though :thumbsup:
I agree! Somewhere there's a very nice picture of a Lancaster that's been "Libuelized". It might be on Deviant Art, although I don't remember for sure.
Quote from: Scotaidh on April 17, 2021, 05:36:58 AM
Somewhere there's a very nice picture of a Lancaster that's been "Libuelized". It might be on Deviant Art, although I don't remember for sure.
I have not found it (yet) on Deviant Art but something else interesting: a 8-engined Super-Lancaster: https://www.deviantart.com/jimbowyrick1/art/Veeblefitzer-Avro-SuperLancaster-Bomber-846817481
But I remember a Photoshop picture of B-17 turned canard, I may found it also.
Quote from: Tophe on April 17, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
But I remember a Photoshop picture of B-17 turned canard, I may found it also.
I found this one (with a RC flying model moreover) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0n6LnosAdk
Among canard planes, I have found the missing link between Libellula (piston warbird) and Viggen (modern jet); the canard Me-163 (jet warbird), see https://www.72news.eu/2018/06/lonewulf-models-canard-wings-for-me-163.html ;D
So is this a libellulized Nimrod ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51122048260_4dbfe0cc97_o.png)
With variable sweep as well. :thumbsup:
That'd make one HECK of a good model, and I have all the bits in The Loft too.............. ;)
Wow! :wub:
Quote from: Tophe on April 17, 2021, 06:44:55 AM
Quote from: Tophe on April 17, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
But I remember a Photoshop picture of B-17 turned canard, I may found it also.
I found this one (with a RC flying model moreover) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0n6LnosAdk
That is so cool! Good find! :thumbsup:
Rafalized Mirage ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51121191743_917be56b4f_o.jpg)
Wow! Cute! (and cheap single engine one as scale 1 for the export department!) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Talking about export, here is a Griffon III profile in a paint scheme used by a fictional navy squadron.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123476828_6316c4143a_o.jpg)
Nice canard, while I am not sure I understand well: the basis seems a Mirage 2000 with non-Mirage air intakes and with canards (and naval hook), is that the right reading?
Quote from: Tophe on April 18, 2021, 10:12:49 AM
Nice canard, while I am not sure I understand well: the basis seems a Mirage 2000 with non-Mirage air intakes and with canards (and naval hook), is that the right reading?
Mirage with Rafale-M
Viggenized scooter ( scale-o-rama ).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51122156201_5cc1027295_o.jpg)
I have asked Google and did not find a JASDF Scooter source, is the inspiration coming from a Skyhawk A-4? :unsure:
Nice anyway :thumbsup:
Yep! A-4 Skyhawk + scaled viggen canard and wings.
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 20, 2021, 04:12:42 AM
Yep! A-4 Skyhawk + scaled viggen canard and wings.
Looks very neat :thumbsup:
Two takes of a viggenized Eagle :unsure:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123810205_0a2c24eb77_o.jpg)
Very nice! :wub:
Zero-Sen, you seem to be Mister Canard as I am Mister Twin-boom ;D
I like the look of the A-4 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 21, 2021, 09:30:33 AM
Two takes of a viggenized Eagle :unsure:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123810205_0a2c24eb77_o.jpg)
Hmm...should have done a Viggenized two-seater (B/D/E).
Viggenized twin engined F-106...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51132846095_3e33b82784_o.jpg)
Wow! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 22, 2021, 10:59:17 AM
Viggenized twin engined F-106...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51132846095_3e33b82784_o.jpg)
After the viggenized F-106 what about a viggenized Rafale A ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51131888466_6dcf90fec6_o.jpg)
Lots of great stuff showing up here! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 24, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
After the viggenized F-106 what about a viggenized Rafale A ???
This is even better, thanks! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tophe on April 24, 2021, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 24, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
After the viggenized F-106 what about a viggenized Rafale A ???
This is even better, thanks! :thumbsup:
It is really nice :thumbsup:
Something between a Concord and a MiG-31 Firefox with a YF-33 duck's bill nose ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51155082165_f18772e2e4_o.jpg)
These are All Awesome :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: the Condor looks like it Belongs in a Gerry Anderson show or Atleast in one of the Wing Commander games! Keep up the Superb Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Back to viggenized whiffery with a Yakovlev fighter designed during the same period as the Su-27 and the MiG-29!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51153977561_9305c96c7c_o.jpg)
I like it! :thumbsup:
Keep up the amazing work Zero-Sen & please do more of your amazing drawings which we at Whatifmodellers would all like to see in the near future like a canard F-106 based on my deviantart account F-53 Swordsdragon
https://www.deviantart.com/armoredryukenshi1984/art/F-53A-view-X-930754798
I'm glad this thread was revived ! So much fun stuff to look at. Has this been a GB yet ?
Don't think so Capt
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 24, 2021, 03:53:45 PMAfter the viggenized F-106 what about a viggenized Rafale A ???
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51131888466_6dcf90fec6_o.jpg)
That is so buildable.. :wub:
https://www.deviantart.com/armoredryukenshi1984/art/F-53A-view-X-930754798
My aircraft viggenized
Quote from: thundereagle1997 on November 07, 2022, 10:18:07 PMhttps://www.deviantart.com/armoredryukenshi1984/art/F-53A-view-X-930754798
My aircraft viggenized
:thumbsup:
Lets viggenize the F-104.
Quote from: Zero-Sen on February 06, 2022, 03:27:09 PM(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51866662833_da30c78211_o.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51867234550_c3b24a6a9c_o.jpg)
That's a great idea!
Yeah I thought so too Ken..when I saw thunders idea I liked it .
So far I'm gonna use my Hasegawa F-104..Tamiya F-15 wings and I'll figure out what to use for the canards in a wee while. 🤔 😊
Zero-Sen: Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt! ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Wardukw on September 27, 2023, 09:43:17 PMI'll figure out what to use for the canards in a wee while. 🤔 😊
The original F-104 wings are so tiny that you could almost use those! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: The Rat on September 28, 2023, 08:49:27 AMQuote from: Wardukw on September 27, 2023, 09:43:17 PMI'll figure out what to use for the canards in a wee while. 🤔 😊
The original F-104 wings are so tiny that you could almost use those! ;D ;D ;D
Scaleorama canards from different scale Starfighters
Keep the F-104 tail.
I've got an F-104 in the stash and an old Viggen I built ages ago that just didn't come out right. I see some paint stripper in the future.
Quote from: kerick on September 28, 2023, 07:31:54 PMKeep the F-104 tail.
I've got an F-104 in the stash and an old Viggen I built ages ago that just didn't come out right. I see some paint stripper in the future.
I'm gonna keep the tail Ken ..not because I was going to anyway but because your suggestion makes the most sense..I was thinking of what I could or would replace it with and that was annoying cause nothing came to mind..all sorted now but it won't be a T tail of course..so I'll put a spike or something like that on top of it :thumbsup:
I have a two seat F-104 also. Hmmmmm.....
Wild Weasel?
I've been looking at the idea of using F-15 wings and the results are in ..nope..not big enough..well long enough for the job at hand .
What I think will work out best tho are Mirage 2000 wings or Mirage 3 ..ive looked at the 2000's wings and they work beautifully..im gonna see the size difference between that and the Mirage 3 .
Quote from: kerick on October 01, 2023, 11:18:31 AMI have a two seat F-104 also. Hmmmmm.....
Wild Weasel?
Hmmmmmm ??? Is right Ken .
Would have to see the weapons load out on a weasel and see how close you could get with the 104 .
But this is a damn cool idea 💡 😄
Quote from: Wardukw on October 01, 2023, 11:31:51 AMQuote from: kerick on October 01, 2023, 11:18:31 AMI have a two seat F-104 also. Hmmmmm.....
Wild Weasel?
Hmmmmmm ??? Is right Ken .
Would have to see the weapons load out on a weasel and see how close you could get with the 104 .
But this is a damn cool idea 💡 😄
Courtesy of Cybermodeler: F-4G Weasel loadout: https://www.cybermodeler.com/aircraft/f-4/f-4g_loads.shtml
Yawn Dart (probably closer to a Viggenized 104 WW):
(https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16cj-981228-F-6082P-997.jpg)
2 gas tanks
2 HARMs (STARM?)
2 Sidewinders (Shrike?)
2 AMRAAMs (Winders)
EW Pod centerline
Thanks Scooter! I'll have to check my stash.
Quote from: Wardukw on October 01, 2023, 11:31:51 AMQuote from: kerick on October 01, 2023, 11:18:31 AMI have a two seat F-104 also. Hmmmmm.....
Wild Weasel?
Hmmmmmm ??? Is right Ken .
Would have to see the weapons load out on a weasel and see how close you could get with the 104 .
But this is a damn cool idea 💡 😄
I may be talking myself into something......
SEA scheme, Hill grey or something original?
Fields and meadows would be a challenge.
For research purposes, MBB in Germany created the F-104 CCV, which had a second fin tip and tailplane mounted just behind the cockpit and a fly-by-wire system. The idea was to get info on FBW and unstable aircraft for what became the Eurofighter project. Now imagine a productionized version of this: with both canards and tailplanes acting as lifting surfaces, you'd have basically double the wing for the same tiny span, which would give a much shorter take-off run, much lower landing speed and much greater agility. Perhaps the ideal application would be a naval fighter, since it could be compact without needed a folding wing, much like a Sea Harrier or Skyhawk.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.916-starfighter.de%2F916starfighter%2Fspecial%2Flarge%2Ff104CCV06.jpg&hash=7ef9b67de5bb25af065af9c99ee77e1ad19becc3)(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.916-starfighter.de%2F916starfighter%2Fspecial%2Flarge%2Ff104CCV10.jpg&hash=664004e546a2e020ea2003a4e7df460dd65b5065)
A Starfighter bi-plane, whatever next ? Open cockpits ? ;) :angel:
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 02, 2023, 06:59:35 AMA Starfighter bi-plane, whatever next ? Open cockpits ? ;) :angel:
Hmmmm....... :wacko:
Doing a little research into the RW comparison between the Viggen and F-104. Viggen was way more powerful than the Starfighter. I'm thinking of more of a Starfighter/Viggen blend. Wings and rear fuselage of the Viggen with the RM8 engine and Starfighter forward fuselage. A bunch more work but could be interesting.
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 02, 2023, 06:59:35 AMA Starfighter bi-plane, whatever next ? Open cockpits ? ;) :angel:
Triplane, if you please. Needs painting red, obviously...
Pulled out the Viggen I built way back when. Then I dropped it...... Busted off the landing gear and weapons. It could have been worse. I recovered all the parts except one rear wheel. I got out the Heller F-104G kit that has been in the stash since forever. It has a two seat option that might work. I cut the Viggen behind the intakes and checked the fit between the two. I might be able to use modified Viggen intakes. A little gluing, a little putty, a little sanding and a plausible paint scheme!
Quote from: kerick on October 16, 2023, 07:40:02 PMPulled out the Viggen I built way back when. Then I dropped it...... Busted off the landing gear and weapons. It could have been worse. I recovered all the parts except one rear wheel. I got out the Heller F-104G kit that has been in the stash since forever. It has a two seat option that might work. I cut the Viggen behind the intakes and checked the fit between the two. I might be able to use modified Viggen intakes. A little gluing, a little putty, a little sanding and a plausible paint scheme!
Ohhh I'm thinking this is going to be pretty cool Ken ...I'm drawing up plans in my head for my F-104 ...im having some pretty good ideas :wacko:
Quote from: kerick on October 16, 2023, 07:40:02 PMPulled out the Viggen I built way back when. Then I dropped it...... Busted off the landing gear and weapons. It could have been worse. I recovered all the parts except one rear wheel. I got out the Heller F-104G kit that has been in the stash since forever. It has a two seat option that might work. I cut the Viggen behind the intakes and checked the fit between the two. I might be able to use modified Viggen intakes. A little gluing, a little putty, a little sanding and a plausible paint scheme!
It was telling you it
HAD to be Whiffed! ;D :thumbsup:
I have a Hasegawa Viggen. I was thinking of De-Viggenising it
Quote from: zenrat on October 17, 2023, 02:49:14 AMI have a Hasegawa Viggen. I was thinking of De-Viggenising it
Phantom wings and phins?
This is sounding like a version of Trashcanistan.
The Viggen parts are in the stripper bath. Yeah, go ahead and giggle. :rolleyes: He's a couple of pics of it taped together.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690811_50b7b09fdc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoT)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53265800332_0cc851b27b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9V9FN)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690816_b5384e9c93_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoY)
The wings look a little too far to the rear but changing that would be lots more work. Overall looks pretty good. I'm trying to use only the two seater parts from the Heller kit so I can build the single seater some day. I'm looking at replacing the Viggen tail fin with a new one in the shape of a taller F-104G tail. Hmmm, more work.
What a loooooooooong nose you've got! :o
That is a loooong forward fuselage. Perhaps big canards or second wing in the front half?
I'm sure the undersides are perfectly aligned but I think the F-104 (front) section needs to be angled down a bit, there's a weird banananana look happening there. :blink:
And, yes, it needs canards! ;D
Quote from: kerick on October 17, 2023, 09:27:54 AMQuote from: zenrat on October 17, 2023, 02:49:14 AMI have a Hasegawa Viggen. I was thinking of De-Viggenising it
Phantom wings and phins?
This is sounding like a version of Trashcanistan.
No. Phantom wings are earmarked for an F-15 (someone here did a drawing - it made an impression). Viggen would keep standard flying surfaces but swapped over so the wings are in the "proper" position.
Quote from: zenrat on October 18, 2023, 02:58:01 AMQuote from: kerick on October 17, 2023, 09:27:54 AMQuote from: zenrat on October 17, 2023, 02:49:14 AMI have a Hasegawa Viggen. I was thinking of De-Viggenising it
Phantom wings and phins?
This is sounding like a version of Trashcanistan.
No. Phantom wings are earmarked for an F-15 (someone here did a drawing - it made an impression). Viggen would keep standard flying surfaces but swapped over so the wings are in the "proper" position.
I'll have to keep that idea in my head for later!
Quote from: Old Wombat on October 18, 2023, 01:35:43 AMAnd, yes, it needs canards! ;D
Or maybe the wings just need forward extensions where they meet the fuselage ?
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 18, 2023, 06:02:23 AMQuote from: Old Wombat on October 18, 2023, 01:35:43 AMAnd, yes, it needs canards! ;D
Or maybe the wings just need forward extensions where they meet the fuselage ?
Some LEXs would certainly make it look different! I'll keep that in mind. I'm going to fill in and connect the Viggen hump (which I added way back when) with the area behind the cockpit. That will get rid of some of the banana look. I have to think up a good way of moving the wings and canards forward. The F-104 parts will get shortened.
Old one made after an idea of JPVeira...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53268553654_ef86d88c1c_o.jpg)
Quote from: Zero-Sen on October 18, 2023, 12:48:02 PMOld one made after an idea of JPVeira...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53268553654_ef86d88c1c_o.jpg)
Ahhh a F-16nized Viggen :thumbsup:
Falconised?
Quote from: zenrat on October 19, 2023, 02:18:50 AMFalconised?
That's sounds like some form of coating for corrugated iron
Falconised steel ;D
Or Falconised Rubber. :unsure:
Quote from: Wardukw on October 19, 2023, 10:13:52 AMQuote from: zenrat on October 19, 2023, 02:18:50 AMFalconised?
That's sounds like some form of coating for corrugated iron
Falconised steel ;D
Quote from: Rick Lowe on October 19, 2023, 09:37:58 PMOr Falconised Rubber. :unsure:
Definitely some sort of heat treating, possibly through the application of very high velocity gases. ;D ;)
Quote from: Old Wombat on October 20, 2023, 02:59:26 AMQuote from: Wardukw on October 19, 2023, 10:13:52 AMQuote from: zenrat on October 19, 2023, 02:18:50 AMFalconised?
That's sounds like some form of coating for corrugated iron
Falconised steel ;D
Quote from: Rick Lowe on October 19, 2023, 09:37:58 PMOr Falconised Rubber. :unsure:
Definitely some sort of heat treating, possibly through the application of very high velocity gases. ;D ;)
Gases released thru a couple of 3in steel tubes ;)
And quite loudly :wacko:
Quote from: kerick on October 17, 2023, 10:45:40 PMThe Viggen parts are in the stripper bath. Yeah, go ahead and giggle. :rolleyes: He's a couple of pics of it taped together.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690811_50b7b09fdc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoT)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53265800332_0cc851b27b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9V9FN)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690816_b5384e9c93_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoY)
The wings look a little too far to the rear but changing that would be lots more work. Overall looks pretty good. I'm trying to use only the two seater parts from the Heller kit so I can build the single seater some day. I'm looking at replacing the Viggen tail fin with a new one in the shape of a taller F-104G tail. Hmmm, more work.
The F-104's tail, complete with stabilizer, would certainly add more 'wing' area, although I'd still want canards. Thinking of canard aircraft, though, leads me to the IAI Kfir. Besides all the wing areas, it also had, on either side of the nose cone, a flat trapezoidal surface, quite small, that was said to give a noticeable lift to the nose.
I red-circled them in this picture:
(https://i.imgur.com/khCG4dz.png)
Who wants a mini Viggen ?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53277061192_3b5edbfe20_o.jpg)
Quote from: Zero-Sen on October 22, 2023, 03:01:10 PMWho wants a mini Viggen ?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53277061192_3b5edbfe20_o.jpg)
Cool!!
Small is beautiful!
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 22, 2023, 12:21:04 PMQuote from: kerick on October 17, 2023, 10:45:40 PMThe Viggen parts are in the stripper bath. Yeah, go ahead and giggle. :rolleyes: He's a couple of pics of it taped together.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690811_50b7b09fdc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoT)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53265800332_0cc851b27b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9V9FN)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53266690816_b5384e9c93_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2p9ZHoY)
The wings look a little too far to the rear but changing that would be lots more work. Overall looks pretty good. I'm trying to use only the two seater parts from the Heller kit so I can build the single seater some day. I'm looking at replacing the Viggen tail fin with a new one in the shape of a taller F-104G tail. Hmmm, more work.
The F-104's tail, complete with stabilizer, would certainly add more 'wing' area, although I'd still want canards. Thinking of canard aircraft, though, leads me to the IAI Kfir. Besides all the wing areas, it also had, on either side of the nose cone, a flat trapezoidal surface, quite small, that was said to give a noticeable lift to the nose.
I red-circled them in this picture:
(https://i.imgur.com/khCG4dz.png)
I've never noticed that before. Thanks! I'll look into it.
My tuppence worth: I prefer the look with the wings right where they are & the tail could be enlarged by removing it, adding styrene underneath it & shaping that to fit the profile, then re-attaching it.
That way you retain the "Viggen-ness" of the design.
Viggenize the F-111 F-106 F-105 & F-35.
Viggenize the A-10 Thunderbolt II.
Saab Draken with canards, a taste of what was to come.
Convair did in fact do research on the canard F-16.(https://s2.loli.net/2024/04/08/yxCaDRn3XI19gfm.jpg)
Interesting, thanks. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Scotaidh on October 22, 2023, 12:21:04 PMThinking of canard aircraft, though, leads me to the IAI Kfir. Besides all the wing areas, it also had, on either side of the nose cone, a flat trapezoidal surface, quite small, that was said to give a noticeable lift to the nose.
I think that is just called a "Strake".
Gondor
Viggenize the SR-71 Blackbird.
Quote from: thundereagle1997 on August 15, 2024, 03:02:04 AMViggenize the SR-71 Blackbird.
I'm sure I've seen wind tunnel models of the A-12 in development that had canards
Quote from: mexchiwa on August 24, 2024, 05:03:26 PMQuote from: thundereagle1997 on August 15, 2024, 03:02:04 AMViggenize the SR-71 Blackbird.
I'm sure I've seen wind tunnel models of the A-12 in development that had canards
You have indeed. This is a concept image of the A-12 that might have been ;D
https://flic.kr/p/2qbZXeP
Quote from: Beermonster58 on August 24, 2024, 09:43:07 PMQuote from: mexchiwa on August 24, 2024, 05:03:26 PMQuote from: thundereagle1997 on August 15, 2024, 03:02:04 AMViggenize the SR-71 Blackbird.
I'm sure I've seen wind tunnel models of the A-12 in development that had canards
You have indeed. This is a concept image of the A-12 that might have been ;D
https://flic.kr/p/2qbZXeP
And, it's not black. Looks OK in graphite (?) but I reckon a dark blue would really hit the spot.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f7b703a6-c1b1-450c-9c80-dda1bd212691/diau3ev-eb67950d-b5c4-4cf4-a49c-60e4811ce243.png/v1/fill/w_1192,h_670/intercept_by_shohndon_diau3ev-pre.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTA4MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y3YjcwM2E2LWMxYjEtNDUwYy05YzgwLWRkYTFiZDIxMjY5MVwvZGlhdTNldi1lYjY3OTUwZC1iNWM0LTRjZjQtYTQ5Yy02MGU0ODExY2UyNDMucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE5MjAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.2UWUYXJjFKQU7XTVtOU9yh-VEyTKEVcG-TEhN0ZpcvQ)
>>LINK!!<< (https://www.deviantart.com/shohndon/art/Intercept-1106591431) for when the token expires
Found on dA, what is, essentially, a Viggenized F-15-type fighter. Although, I would have moved the canards to the top of the fuselage, as on the F-15SMTP demonstrator
Quote from: scooter on October 05, 2024, 10:58:12 AM(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f7b703a6-c1b1-450c-9c80-dda1bd212691/diau3ev-eb67950d-b5c4-4cf4-a49c-60e4811ce243.png/v1/fill/w_1192,h_670/intercept_by_shohndon_diau3ev-pre.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTA4MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y3YjcwM2E2LWMxYjEtNDUwYy05YzgwLWRkYTFiZDIxMjY5MVwvZGlhdTNldi1lYjY3OTUwZC1iNWM0LTRjZjQtYTQ5Yy02MGU0ODExY2UyNDMucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE5MjAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.2UWUYXJjFKQU7XTVtOU9yh-VEyTKEVcG-TEhN0ZpcvQ)
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Found on dA, what is, essentially, a Viggenized F-15-type fighter. Although, I would have moved the canards to the top of the fuselage, as on the F-15SMTP demonstrator
That one is saved for future reference! Thanks!
Quote from: kerick on October 05, 2024, 09:40:18 PMQuote from: scooter on October 05, 2024, 10:58:12 AM(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f7b703a6-c1b1-450c-9c80-dda1bd212691/diau3ev-eb67950d-b5c4-4cf4-a49c-60e4811ce243.png/v1/fill/w_1192,h_670/intercept_by_shohndon_diau3ev-pre.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTA4MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2Y3YjcwM2E2LWMxYjEtNDUwYy05YzgwLWRkYTFiZDIxMjY5MVwvZGlhdTNldi1lYjY3OTUwZC1iNWM0LTRjZjQtYTQ5Yy02MGU0ODExY2UyNDMucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE5MjAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.2UWUYXJjFKQU7XTVtOU9yh-VEyTKEVcG-TEhN0ZpcvQ)
>>LINK!!<< (https://www.deviantart.com/shohndon/art/Intercept-1106591431) for when the token expires
Found on dA, what is, essentially, a Viggenized F-15-type fighter. Although, I would have moved the canards to the top of the fuselage, as on the F-15SMTP demonstrator
That one is saved for future reference! Thanks!
Quote from: Zero-Sen on April 21, 2021, 09:30:33 AMTwo takes of a viggenized Eagle :unsure:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51123810205_0a2c24eb77_o.jpg)
Quote from: Zero-Sen on May 03, 2021, 04:31:51 PMBack to viggenized whiffery with a Yakovlev fighter designed during the same period as the Su-27 and the MiG-29!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51153977561_9305c96c7c_o.jpg)
Viggenize the Concorde with canard foreplanes & turbofan engines.
Quote from: thundereagle1997 on February 11, 2025, 12:44:04 AMViggenize the Concorde with canard foreplanes & turbofan engines.
:thumbsup: