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GROUP BUILDS => 2017 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B. => Topic started by: ericr on December 05, 2017, 01:51:01 PM

Title: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 05, 2017, 01:51:01 PM

how (un)reasonable would this be ?

(https://imgur.com/hqayRa2.jpg)

(I can't exactly remember where this S-38 hull come from ... maybe it was a spare in the kit I built some years ago?)
(in the giraffe livery, of course)

Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2017, 02:25:49 PM
Cool.  Like a batboatplane.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
Looks a good idea to me too.

Where DID the S-38 kit come from anyway? I've only ever seen a 1/72 vacform of the S-38 before, but it was SO complicated to build.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Captain Canada on December 05, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
Gonna be a nice mix !

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 06, 2017, 03:53:04 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2017, 03:56:31 PM
Looks a good idea to me too.

Where DID the S-38 kit come from anyway? I've only ever seen a 1/72 vacform of the S-38 before, but it was SO complicated to build.

I had a CMK resin kit, reasonably buildable, for my limited skills

and it was actually a zebra (the giraffe was the S39)

(https://imgur.com/0dgbwFw.jpg)
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 06, 2017, 03:56:46 AM

a bit of progress :

the B2 is a half-metal diecast, but only for the central top part, the rest isplastic, easier to work with ...
the engine too are plastic, and could be extracted and reused

the wingtip floats come from a resin Dujin SOC Seamew ...

(https://imgur.com/n4ZaGcB.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/JCPeLJB.jpg)


Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 06, 2017, 06:13:50 AM
That's looking promising already.  :thumbsup:

Thanks for the info on the S-38 kit, I may look for one.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 06, 2017, 06:46:25 AM
Wicked...!
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Tophe on December 06, 2017, 09:03:04 AM
Wow! I thought "impossible" to match those parts, but it seems you are going to succeed, incredibly! :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: sandiego89 on December 06, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Main downside would be loosing your low observabilty/radar cross section- the main reason for the B-2. The boat hull is somewhat slab sided and the step would both create large radar returns. So with the drag you would wind up with an even slower B-2 (the B-2 is not fast) and would lose the stealth aspects. I would also worry about the effects of sea spray on the delicate stealth coatings. Sorry to sound like a wet blanket- but it would look neat
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 06, 2017, 04:40:16 PM
But just because some of it looks like a B-2 doesn't meant that it's anything to do with being stealthy.

Indeed, it may be just a co-incidence that it looks like a B-2.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 06, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
Fascinating!!  This is looking very cool so far... I like the idea and by golly... I remember just mentioning a day or two ago the possibility of doing a flying wing boat plane in my blog and sure enough if you aren't here making one. (I dismissed the idea outright as I haven't the skill level, yet)  I salute you for hopping on that grenade, Sir! ( ;D)
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: jcf on December 06, 2017, 07:14:27 PM
Bat-Boat redux.  :thumbsup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Bat_Boat

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fflyingmachines.ru%2FImages7%2FPutnam%2FBrit_Early%2F244-2.jpg&hash=0878d39bae4021247396c77e540c25ebc7c7ceff)
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 06, 2017, 11:48:57 PM
Ah, the Bat Boat. I had a vacform of one of them but it was way beyond my skills in the rigging dept. Nice looking aircraft.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: zenrat on December 07, 2017, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on December 06, 2017, 07:14:27 PM
Bat-Boat redux.  :thumbsup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Bat_Boat

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fflyingmachines.ru%2FImages7%2FPutnam%2FBrit_Early%2F244-2.jpg&hash=0878d39bae4021247396c77e540c25ebc7c7ceff)

I like that.
Apart from a hull I have enough spare parts to knock up something like that.  And the hull could be scratched up as it's all single radius curves by the look of it.
I'll have to get fiddling with cardboard templates.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 07, 2017, 01:27:09 AM

thanks all !

I do recognize that the stealth aspect was not in my plan : I just considered : (a) a hull (b) a wing (c) engines
which were enough ingerdients for a potential flying boat.

The bat boat is a bit like that actually : ait looks like a small boat with added-on wings ;
a bit like the russian flying tank glider was a tank with biplane wings attached.
I like the collage / hybrid / chimera aspect of all this : chance meetings on a dissecting/modelling table ;D

The same reasoning applied to the Corsaire boat and biplane wings in the other thread :
RW evaluation is obviously cautiously kept under a carpet or two  :wacko:

Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: jcf on December 08, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: zenrat on December 07, 2017, 12:16:08 AM
I like that.
Apart from a hull I have enough spare parts to knock up something like that.  And the hull could be scratched up as it's all single radius curves by the look of it.
I'll have to get fiddling with cardboard templates.

That's the 1914 configuration, the 1913 and 1915 versions are different.

Bat-Boat #1 had a hull built at the Saunders works using Saunders
Consuta sewn ply technique and looked very much like a period
speedboat.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/batboat.html

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airwar.ru%2Fimage%2Fidop%2Fflyboat%2Fbatboat%2Fbatboat-1.gif&hash=6132a0e13a5b50789c0cac060a5e540a31f5c713)

The Bat-Boat was named for the winged racing boats of Kipling's With the Night Mail.

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgottenfutures.com%2Fgame%2Fff1%2Fad6.gif&hash=2d77ba5d05c21e23cc10f381f9c55a271cf5d3ef)
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: zenrat on December 08, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
Woooooah, that one's even better.
I built a canoe using the sewn plywood technique.
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 09, 2017, 02:01:18 AM

some progress, after an accident during the primer spraying ...

(https://imgur.com/oUQm9rQ.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/T0mAHq3.jpg)

a bit beyond my skills, but
now ready to be blued

the canopy comes from a 1/72 Ju52


Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 09, 2017, 04:34:25 AM
That's going to look superb.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 09, 2017, 04:44:10 AM

thanks !

paint is drying (Humbrol enamel gloss 14, the usual blue)

Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: jsport on December 09, 2017, 12:38:48 PM
it will be great :thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Tophe on December 10, 2017, 10:07:44 AM
This is becoming better and better! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 10, 2017, 01:16:16 PM

thanks !
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 13, 2017, 12:39:13 PM

here it comes, in blue :

(https://imgur.com/HcDaB2k.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/1dTVOyo.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/0v2PgJM.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/6NHdnkf.jpg)

Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: TallEng on December 13, 2017, 01:02:04 PM
Came out well, :thumbsup:
Just needs a splash of yellow and silver and some WASP stickers and you'd have Stingray Ver.2.0

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Stingray+(1964+TV+series)&client=safari&hl=en-gb&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgecTozC3w8sc9YSmrSWtOXmM04eIKzsgvd80rySypFFLjYoOyZLh4pTj1c_UNDLPL0ws1GKS4uRBcHgBa5s-lSAAAAA&prmd=visn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju_5yl8IfYAhXICJoKHXC2CCYQ_AUIEigC&biw=1024&bih=649#imgrc=LJV2sKNvm3ljMM:

That should lead you to a picture for those of you unsure what I'm on about.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 13, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
Very good, an excellent mixture of ancient and modern.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Tophe on December 13, 2017, 07:49:56 PM
 :wub: So: miracles do exist, this is now proven! :bow:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: zenrat on December 14, 2017, 01:01:29 AM
That turned out rather well.  Good job.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: Mossie on December 14, 2017, 01:08:36 AM
Wonderfully odd creation. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 14, 2017, 02:21:16 AM
Cool, man!!! 
Title: Re: S-38 & B2
Post by: ericr on December 14, 2017, 10:16:27 AM

thanks all !


as I noted earlier, a bit borderline of my skills, but I managed to hide enough of the frailties to get lookable pictures  ;D