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Title: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on December 23, 2021, 06:08:48 PM
I've said it, and now I'm doing it. Managed to get an Aoshima Thunderbird 2 through a friend, and Canadair North Star decals from Belcher Bits, and we're off to the races! Pod is done, I did the outside of the door in a hi-viz scheme for safety.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51771415269_61c09ec0fb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mSS356)20211223_183613 (https://flic.kr/p/2mSS356) by Dave Bailey[/url], on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51769946287_bca0100eb7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mSJvoP)20211223_183550 (https://flic.kr/p/2mSJvoP) by Dave Bailey[/url], on Flickr
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Old Wombat on December 23, 2021, 11:51:02 PM
 :thumbsup: :mellow:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on December 25, 2021, 05:54:48 PM
I guess Flickr must be overloaded with people uploading Christmas photos, so I'll have to copy this from facebook for now. Just a test fitting, still a lot of painting and fiddling and swearing to do.

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Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Old Wombat on December 25, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
Definitely can't go wrong with Thunderbird 2! :mellow: :mellow: :ph34r: :party:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Tophe on December 25, 2021, 09:17:31 PM
Great twin-boomer! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 27, 2021, 05:09:08 AM
A Snow-Thunderbird?  :o
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on December 27, 2021, 10:59:13 AM
I loved Thunderbirds when i was a kid and that hasnt changed.
Ive still got 2 Thunderbird movies on one of my hard drives and this is a brilliant idea and damn it looks good .
Im pretty sure Gerry Anderson would be proud of this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: philp on December 27, 2021, 07:06:18 PM
Going for a scheme similar to this?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/againstallodds/images/5/5a/Fairchild_CC-119_Flying_Boxcar.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20140112225628
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on December 28, 2021, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: philp on December 27, 2021, 07:06:18 PM
Going for a scheme similar to this?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/againstallodds/images/5/5a/Fairchild_CC-119_Flying_Boxcar.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20140112225628

Yup!
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: philp on December 28, 2021, 08:50:04 PM
That should look great.

Awesome idea.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on December 30, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Yup, the facebook image link lasted shorter than my first date. Here we are with flickr:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51788328146_77d3f65b31_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mUmHFq)Dave Bailey (https://flic.kr/p/2mUmHFq), on Flickr

The AK Interactive True Metal seems to be a bit more difficult to work with than the old Rub n' Buff, I'll keep trying to get better with it. Some areas look great, others look awful. Flat black is under all areas, so it isn't the base coat that's the problem. Hmmm...
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 04:17:46 AM
Quote from: The Rat on December 30, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Flat black is under all areas, so it isn't the base coat that's the problem. Hmmm...

Possibly it would work better with gloss black?
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on December 31, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 04:17:46 AM
Quote from: The Rat on December 30, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Flat black is under all areas, so it isn't the base coat that's the problem. Hmmm...

Possibly it would work better with gloss black?

Not sure, this is the first time I've used a black undercoat. Never found it necessary with Rub n' Buff.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: The Rat on December 31, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 04:17:46 AM
Quote from: The Rat on December 30, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Flat black is under all areas, so it isn't the base coat that's the problem. Hmmm...

Possibly it would work better with gloss black?

Not sure, this is the first time I've used a black undercoat. Never found it necessary with Rub n' Buff.

Oh, ok - I was thinking of what they recommended for the other system...  can't recall it at present, but the one where you rubbed metal powder into the black base - could well have been Rub 'n' Buff, come to think of it.
Or Metalizer...
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Captain Canada on December 31, 2021, 06:42:48 PM
That's neat Ratty ! Love the pod.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on January 01, 2022, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Canada on December 31, 2021, 06:42:48 PM
That's neat Ratty ! Love the pod.

:thumbsup:

A bit more progress. The 3 little modules that came with it have been repurposed in RCAF service, explained in the upcoming back story. Still some touch-up to do obviously.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51793314500_54f00489bc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mUNgX3)RWB (https://flic.kr/p/2mUNgX3) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on January 01, 2022, 03:38:59 PM
Emergency wheeled runway vehicles..so cool  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
This is going very nicely Dave..cant wait foe the finished model  ;D
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on February 13, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Slow and steady. The landing legs are gimmicky, but it would be difficult to make the telescoping in this scale. The pod fits too snugly, it will take a lot of scraping and filing to ensure that it can slip in and out of place without scratching the paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51880314713_cb84a8b98e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n3ub5H) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51879272772_867333eddf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n3oQmd) by Dave Bailey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/190327384@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 13, 2022, 05:13:49 PM
Looking so good Dave..for ya telescoping legs you could use brass tube..great for any scale and strong.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on February 13, 2022, 06:58:52 PM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on February 13, 2022, 05:13:49 PM
Looking so good Dave..for ya telescoping legs you could use brass tube..great for any scale and strong.

They hold it up well enough, but they don't actually telescope up into the body, they fold back. I'll just take them off as needed for pictures.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 13, 2022, 07:12:46 PM
Yeah sometimes its just easier at the end of the day to take the easy way out and trying to build working multi stage rams is a real PITA..id do the same thing Dave..prefect example..landing gear on model planes which wont fit in their bays  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 13, 2022, 08:21:50 PM
Sort of Occam's Razor - in that the simple answers are easiest and work best, and take less time and thought and effort, all of which would eat into building time for the next project!
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: jcf on February 13, 2022, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: The Rat on December 31, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on December 31, 2021, 04:17:46 AM
Quote from: The Rat on December 30, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Flat black is under all areas, so it isn't the base coat that's the problem. Hmmm...

Possibly it would work better with gloss black?

Not sure, this is the first time I've used a black undercoat. Never found it necessary with Rub n' Buff.

Oh, ok - I was thinking of what they recommended for the other system...  can't recall it at present, but the one where you rubbed metal powder into the black base - could well have been Rub 'n' Buff, come to think of it.
Or Metalizer...

That was the SnJ Products Spray Metal system.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 13, 2022, 11:49:54 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on February 13, 2022, 08:21:50 PM
Sort of Occam's Razor - in that the simple answers are easiest and work best, and take less time and thought and effort, all of which would eat into building time for the next project!
See thats the opposite of me ...if i want something to work its going to work ..being a padantic pain in the arse does not help me with building a model..this apocalyptic truck thingy im building i needed the drive shaft to bend so the trailer can pivot..2 hrs of work later it now does..killed 3 CV joints to make it but got it in the end.
What Dave is doing makes perfect sense ..why spend hrs when in the end theres no great result.
Bloody wish id do that  :lol:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Old Wombat on February 14, 2022, 02:23:03 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: zenrat on February 14, 2022, 02:47:17 AM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on February 13, 2022, 11:49:54 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on February 13, 2022, 08:21:50 PM
Sort of Occam's Razor - in that the simple answers are easiest and work best, and take less time and thought and effort, all of which would eat into building time for the next project!
See thats the opposite of me ...if i want something to work its going to work ..being a padantic pain in the arse does not help me with building a model..this apocalyptic truck thingy im building i needed the drive shaft to bend so the trailer can pivot..2 hrs of work later it now does..killed 3 CV joints to make it but got it in the end.
What Dave is doing makes perfect sense ..why spend hrs when in the end theres no great result.
Bloody wish id do that  :lol:

That's something i'm training myself not to do so i can finish more models.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 14, 2022, 08:55:32 AM
I know why im like i am when it cpmes to details Fred..military vehicles...there's so much detail and of course the life you put into it the better it looks.
When i started building wiffys that same thing happened again..details and yeah it does make for a long build most times.
This heli carrier thing is moving surprisingly fast really..the vehicle itself is built..pics later this week i hope..now im starting on the Huey and im happy to say im not going nuts on the detail  ;D
The engine wont be seen ..had to glue its door in place cause the fuselage was twisted and wouldnt hold shape..ill detail the cockpit ..buts thats easy ..the real detail i think will be the paint ..i start a post on the Huey when theres more of it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on February 14, 2022, 08:56:27 AM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on February 13, 2022, 11:49:54 PM
What Dave is doing makes perfect sense ..why spend hrs when in the end theres no great result.
Bloody wish id do that  :lol:

Perfect sense if you want to get it done, not so perfect if you finish it and then keep thinking "I really should have taken the time to..." My thoughts nearly always go both ways. I don't think there's a single model on my shelves that I haven't looked at and said that to myself, not long after saying, "Well, it's got some rough patches, but I'm damned glad that it's done!"  ;D

Build for fun, and if fun means getting the moustache on a 1/144th pilot looking perfect, that's the builder's business.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 14, 2022, 09:08:06 AM
Yeah Dave i gotta learn to detail only the good spots and not worry about the ones that ya cant see...i dont bother with tank interiors anymore and i now only spray the areas in cockpits you can see ..saves alot of time and paint  ;D
I do have the same thoughts and theres more than one model which ill look at and know theres areas which need attention but to other flokes its fine but i think alot of us are like that.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 14, 2022, 08:04:45 PM
Yup, I will put my hand up and admit to that...

I always tell myself I'll do better with the next build, and then I take shortcuts in other areas...  ;D
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Old Wombat on February 15, 2022, 02:21:24 AM
Yeah, tank interiors; Like "What the ...?" :o

However, there are some tanks, especially WW2 British & early US, which have BIG hatches on the turret & should be supplied with significant internal detail.

My big gripe, though, is all the APC's & similar which don't come with full internals for the troop & crew compartments, especially when they come with open-able hatches.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: zenrat on February 15, 2022, 02:58:09 AM
In the stash I have a couple of 1/48 T34s with full interior detail (including engine and transmission).
I will build one and I will try to build and paint and weather all the interior but I will whinge like mad and gut the second one or kitbash it.
At least they have link and length tracks and not individual links.

Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 15, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
Pretty much all APC type models suffer that annoyance wheeled or tracked..of course theres a couple which aren't but their the few amongst the many .
As for tanks ..yeah that very ture Guy..WW1 tanks have big hatches and because there on both sides in the same places you can see straight thru it..gotta have detail there and yup havent forgotten about the M3's ..i think Takom do a M3 with full interior detail.
Funny you mentioned the T34 Fred..i built a 1/16th Trumpeter T34-85 for a mate..full interior and of course fully painted and detailed and when it was said and done ya could see absolutely bugger all...most annoying.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 15, 2022, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 15, 2022, 02:21:24 AM

Yeah, tank interiors; Like "What the ...?" :o


Way back when, when I was writing the English instructions for the Tamiya kits, they come up with their massive Tiger 1 tank, I think it was 1/21 scale, and it had a full interior. :(

It took for EVER to do the instructions as it was so complicated, and of course you couldn't see any of the interior when it was done. Madness.

It took so long that the first batch of kits that Riko distributed had photocopied versions of my typed instructions as they hadn't had time to get them printed!

Then afterwards they wanted me to saw the model in half so the interior WAS visible............  :banghead:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: The Rat on February 15, 2022, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 15, 2022, 02:21:24 AM
My big gripe, though, is all the APC's & similar which don't come with full internals for the troop & crew compartments, especially when they come with open-able hatches.

It's a conspiracy by 'Big Resin' to increase after-market sales.  ;D
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 15, 2022, 07:13:16 PM
Academy made a model of a M113 IFV which had a full interior and engine..had a couple of those ..very nice kits amd i think still available but i now live by a simple rule chaps..if i cant see it, then no one else will.
Im done wasting hours and hours of work for no benefit at all.
Theres a guy on youtube who was building a M4 easy eight with full interior detail..now if any of you guys have built a M4A3E8 you'll know that even with the hatches open you cant see a damn thing and the amount of work he put into it was just plain nuts..3 videos on just the interior alone and then he glued the upper hull  to the lower..a absolute waste of time.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: zenrat on February 16, 2022, 01:57:58 AM
I've always been taken with cutaway exhibits in museums.  Maybe that's the way to go.  Cut chunks off and paint the edges red.
You can see the insides plus there is no need for weathering.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Devilfish on February 16, 2022, 03:19:34 AM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on February 15, 2022, 07:13:16 PM
Academy made a model of a M113 IFV which had a full interior and engine..had a couple of those ..very nice kits amd i think still available but i now live by a simple rule chaps..if i cant see it, then no one else will.
Im done wasting hours and hours of work for no benefit at all.
Theres a guy on youtube who was building a M4 easy eight with full interior detail..now if any of you guys have built a M4A3E8 you'll know that even with the hatches open you cant see a damn thing and the amount of work he put into it was just plain nuts..3 videos on just the interior alone and then he glued the upper hull  to the lower..a absolute waste of time.

I totally agree. But whenever I mention it, all I get is "But I know it's there", from the builder.  Like that's of any use, lol
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 16, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
Cut aways are cool as hell but when saw one done on a real T72 MBT and a T55 i was gob smacked..thats a massive amount of work and it was perfectly flat along the cut..its like they had been cut in half with a freakin laser..amazing.
Devil mate there's that whats the point thing again.."I know its there" is just plain stupidity ..oh yeah you know but no body else does and in most cases we do want other ppl to like what we've made so whats the sence of covering it up.
Oh ive built this super detailed big block V8 for my project car and it looks amazing..now im gonna weld the bonnet/hood shut. ..huh??  :o  :banghead:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2022, 11:14:18 AM
When I was an apprentice at Pressed Steel we did that to an MGB, sawed it down the middle and painted the edges red.

Actually we took it apart first, sawed the various bits in half, and then put it back together, as it wouldn't fit through our largest band saw.....  ;D

Both halves of it are in the Museum at Gaydon now.
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 16, 2022, 01:29:41 PM
Luckly Kit it was only a MGB and not a MGBT V8 as im pretty sure you guys would have been hunted down ..theres some pretty serious blokes out there who are nuts about those cars   ;D
Im glad that car is still around mate..i hate seeing all that work going to waste and its probably depressing for the guys who did too.
Ya know ive never cut a car in half..ive crushed quite a few..a dream job i did for 2 months clearing an old wreakers yard  ;D
Crushed so many cars and a huge amount of them where English ..rusted to death and a 35 ton excarvator makes short work of flattening them  :wacko: :thumbsup:
Huge fun  :lol:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 17, 2022, 07:30:35 AM
I spent 18 months in that first job running crash tests. A better way of getting all your anxieties out of your head has not been invented.  ;D

Running a £20000 Daimler Majestic Major (in 1965 money) into a concrete block and watching it smash itself into smithereens is wonderful, AND I was being paid for it too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RCAF Thunderbird 2
Post by: Wardukw on February 17, 2022, 12:11:07 PM
It is great fun aint it ? ..its relaxing and a amazing stress release ..it like i hate minis and morris 1100's and pretty much all early model english cars ..like you I'll bet they where not fun to work on so getting the chance to smash and crush em was brilliant .
Hell i ran over so many just because they were so rusted i couldnt pick them up ..the excarvator did have a thumb but when you grab a roof and the rest of the car is left behind it makes for alot nore work..so crush it then pick it up..but its more fun to drive straight over it  :lol: :wacko: