A bit early, but as noted I wanted to get this kicked off before I take a trip for a couple of weeks.
Here's the first draft of the rules for the Group Build
THE LIGHTNING, HUNTER AND CANBERRA GB RULES (LHC GB for short)
1. The LHC GB runs from 00:01 Friday 1 July 2022 to 23:59 Friday 30 September 2022 (all times local). An extension may or may not be considered/set up according to demand and or pecuniary overtures.
2 Physical models of any scale, profiles, and stories are eligible but they must be a whif based on one, two, or all three of the following aircraft (or aircraft developed from them);
• The English Electric Lightning
• The Hawker Hunter
• The English Electric Canberra
Your whiff can be as simple (change of markings or camo scheme) or as complex (full on kit bashing) as you wish. While it has to start out being based on (an) aircraft it doesn't have to finish up as one. If in doubt as to what's in scope then contact the Mods.[/i]
3) You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!). The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always. Back stories - however long or short - supporting physical models and profiles are always welcome.
4) "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even designing and printing your own decals, but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.
5) Eligibility of part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should pm to explain what you have done (pictures re a great help if you can include them) and they will decide, their decision being final.
6) No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ? It's one rule or another so from now on it's 6
7) Moderators are Zenrat and PR19 Kit. Thank you, gentlemen.
8. The completed builds thread will be locked at the end of the GB and shortly afterwards the poll will be set up. Number of votes each depends on the number of entries. Keep your eyes out for updates!
9) As decided earlier in the year by the Membership the first three placed entries in the Group Build will automatically be nominated for a Whiffy in a new, specific Group Build Class.
Rules looks great to me Chris, glad you included "or derivatives of" to allow Martin built examples of the B-57 Canberra for example.
Can't imagine many folks asking for amendments to include other things, this GB seems pretty straightforward and plenty of material to work with (wait who am I kidding? This is WHIF! Ha ha.)
Any extra points for whoever manages to combine all 3 planes in a single whif? :rolleyes:
For a minute I thought this was going to be people building models of the Large Hadron Collider.
Quote from: Hobbes on May 24, 2022, 11:47:08 AM
For a minute I thought this was going to be people building models of the Large Hadron Collider.
If you start off with a Lightning, Hunter or Canberra kit that would be perfectly allowable. ;D
I have had for a long time a wonderful Hunter idea, even, IIRC, posted the back story to Narses years ago.
Are existing back stories allowed? Plastic has not been touched, maybe not even bought.
At the moment, I am only thinking trains, but if I manage to find the mojo, I'd really like to do this GB.
Quote from: loupgarou on May 24, 2022, 11:29:16 AM
Any extra points for whoever manages to combine all 3 planes in a single whif? :rolleyes:
It's possible - I have something in mind, but I'd need an Su-15 too.
The cheap 'n cheerful PM Flagons are back around again, it'll save you some wedge over the Trumpeter kits.
Got a pair as is, plus at a show next week, so should be able to snag another.
Although on reflection, a cheap Javelin FAW9 may be a better fit.
On a completely unrelated note, are there any cheap 144th Su-7s or MiG 21s available? They may be ideal as engine nacelles.
Eduard do a dual combo MiG-21 for around 15 or 16 quid.
Would the Tamiya 1/100 MiG-15 or MiG-19 work?
Have to check them against plans.
Quote from: loupgarou on May 28, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
I have had for a long time a wonderful Hunter idea, even, IIRC, posted the back story to Narses years ago.
Are existing back stories allowed? Plastic has not been touched, maybe not even bought.
At the moment, I am only thinking trains, but if I manage to find the mojo, I'd really like to do this GB.
I remember that :thumbsup:
From my point of view if you are building a model based on an existing backstory, then as long as plastic has not been touched that's perfectly allowable. After all most of us will be formulating ideas well before the build starts. After all that is what that is what this thread is to a large part about ;)
Quote from: sandiego89 on May 24, 2022, 08:25:00 AM
Rules looks great to me Chris, glad you included "or derivatives of" to allow Martin built examples of the B-57 Canberra for example.
Thank Zen and Kit. I just provide the typing finger. ;)
I've got a half started long wing Lightning in the stash. I'd better beg for inclusion be a perfect excuse to finish it ! Probably started it a decade ago...... :banghead:
Quote from: Captain Canada on June 02, 2022, 10:12:59 AM
I've got a half started long wing Lightning in the stash. I'd better beg for inclusion be a perfect excuse to finish it ! Probably started it a decade ago...... :banghead:
I actually think I remember that.. :o
Found it ! The thread, anyway. 8 years ago lol. I think it's a little too far along tho. And I'd have to find it in the cave anyway lol
https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=41904.60
Finish the thing anyway Todd, it always did look a prime Whiffy candidate.. :thumbsup:
Would an Ar 234 count, it's called Lightning?
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on June 21, 2022, 03:47:13 AM
Would an Ar 234 count, it's called Lightning?
Gondor
It is, but it's not the Lightning we are looking for. English Electric Lightning (or derivatives) only.
Feel free however to kitbash an Ar-234 into a Canberra (or Lighnting or Hunter).
Or put Hunter wings on it....................
Canberra wings would be better IMO. Canberra wings look good on most things.
Quote from: zenrat on June 21, 2022, 03:56:24 AM
Quote from: Gondor on June 21, 2022, 03:47:13 AM
Would an Ar 234 count, it's called Lightning?
Gondor
It is, but it's not the Lightning we are looking for. English Electric Lightning (or derivatives) only.
Feel free however to kitbash an Ar-234 into a Canberra (or Lighnting or Hunter).
Was just a thought..... it was a whiff I was going to do with it but as the basic aircraft does not count then it will just sit on the shelf untill later.
Gondor
Quote from: zenrat on June 21, 2022, 03:56:24 AM
Quote from: Gondor on June 21, 2022, 03:47:13 AM
Would an Ar 234 count, it's called Lightning?
Gondor
It is, but it's not the Lightning we are looking for. English Electric Lightning (or derivatives) only.
Feel free however to kitbash an Ar-234 into a Canberra (or Lighnting or Hunter).
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Not-a-Gallery/i-DhdFSKH/0/70f0fc25/M/These%20are%20not%20the%20Lightnings%2C%20etc.-M.jpg)
I'm curious if I can enter a salvage Hunter that stalled a good fifteen years back.
Send us some pics of its current state please Lee, and we'll deliberate.
It's assembled, sans fin, and painted. I'll post a pic or two later.
What if Hawker Siddeley pruduced one early jet liner?
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/HawkerLiner(1).png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/4416d0b2-35f8-4be8-bf5a-8e79adb358cd)
Hi moderators! Will you accept this subject in this GB?
I guess it has Hunter intakes and wings, but what else Hunter-ish does it have?
Fred?
Tailfin, I know it is similar to Caravelle's but its swept angle is 15º greater than Caravelle's.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Caravelle_AirFrance.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/e3e7e3d1-a4f9-4dbf-a5e7-b4ec449e63fe)
Wing is a merge of Hunter's and Caravelle's
I would have used the DH Comet as the starting point. ;)
Quote from: Old Wombat on August 06, 2022, 05:18:22 AM
I would have used the DH Comet as the starting point. ;)
But then it wouldn't include Hunter DNA.
I'll allow it Kit.
I'm fine with it too. :thumbsup:
Engine disposition is Comet DNA. And nose is Comet and Caravelle. :thumbsup:
This should be in the 'Finished Builds' section of the GB, otherwise we can't put it in the Poll at the end.
And it should be too, it fits the rules prefectly. :thumbsup:
You are right. My fault :banghead: . FIXED!! :thumbsup:
Erm, the pic's gone from here, but it's not in the Finished Builds thread .
Should be here :-
https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=50521.0 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=50521.0)
Only one month to go!
:o
End it's a short one, only 30 days :angel:
Is this already finished? :o
I thought in the Discussion thread the Mods had said there was an extension?
Gondor
A week ago I posted that there was a two week extension, and I wrote it like this :-
We've deliberated (at some length as we're 12000 miles apart...) and decided, reluctantly, that we'll extend the end date by 14 days.
So now you've got until midnight local time on October 14th to finish off your builds.
If that isn't noticeable enough I'm not sure what else I can do............
^^^^^ If you are answering me...; it is not a matter of noteacibility, but a matter of right place. If in "rules thread" is said:
Quote from: zenrat on September 01, 2022, 05:30:30 AMOnly one month to go!
:o
... in "rules thread" must be published any change of finish date (a change of rules).
:)
Fred and I are the mods in this GB and we'll post any rule changes anywhere we feel like, OK? ;) ;D :lol: <_<
One day to go. GB ends Midnight local time October 14th - That's the Midnight between October 14th and October 15th. In order to be entered in the poll your work must be posted in the Finished Build thread before it is locked.
That's yer lot, it's all done and dusted now.
This GB is DONE!