It's early, but since my project was greenlit by the powers-that-be I'll add a thread for this. Plan is to "kitbash" a fictional and functional H0 scale model railroad locomotive on the basis of a separate motorized metal chassis (Märklin), outfitted with a modified body donor, becoming a light multi-purpose electric locomotive operated by the Chemins de Fer Luxenbourgeois (CFL) during the Seventies/Eighties. I have a vision for the thing, but we'll have to see if it's feasible and how it eventually turns out. :angel:
I'm not expert at all about trains, but that project sounds good. :thumbsup:
Well, some time ago I already did a H0 scale locomotive conversion, so it's not a cold start in this case. But this was "only" a paint variation, together with some minor cosmetic hardware changes. This here will be a bit more ambitious, due to the mix of unrelated parts and the fact that it will have pantographs, too, though not functional ones (even though this would be technically possible with extra parts, but this would be pretty expensive and more than I'd want to invest into the project). We'll see. <_<
I am also considering other projects for this GB. One could become a kitbashed small transport aircraft that I have configured in the back of my mind for several years, and I have to check if I can twist a mecha model to fit into the GB's framework.
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 07, 2022, 12:00:00 AM... twist a mecha model to fit into the GB's framework.
A mecha with a big basket on its back carrying mecha spare parts.
Or perhaps towing a cart. ;D
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Quote from: jcf on October 07, 2022, 12:41:22 PMQuote from: Dizzyfugu on October 07, 2022, 12:00:00 AM... twist a mecha model to fit into the GB's framework.
A mecha with a big basket on its back carrying mecha spare parts.
Or perhaps towing a cart. ;D
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Thank heavens for that fellow the cart seems to be loaded with brooms and baskets!
Hmmmm........ mecha mules...... or just a jacka$$?
How about a four, or more, legged walking truck?
1/32 prime mover and trailer kit combined with the legs from 1/144 Zakus.
QuoteHow about a four, or more, legged walking truck?
1/32 prime mover and trailer kit combined with the legs from 1/144 Zakus.
Something along the lines of Syd Mead's walking trucks?
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Then there was the GE
Walking Truck, where the operator's movements were duplicated by the machine using
hydraulics and direct linkage.
Think
Pacific Rim. ;DGE Mosher Walking Truck (http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-machines/1969-ge-walking-truck-ralph-mosher-american/)(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcyberneticzoo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FMosher-quadruped-2-x640%281%29.jpg&hash=708af2df77d2abef7f0b520579dace9598d09283)
Did Syd Mead have anything to do with Star Wars? I think there is some of his walking truck dna in AT-ATs.
Quote from: zenrat on October 11, 2022, 02:48:17 AMDid Syd Mead have anything to do with Star Wars? I think there is some of his walking truck dna in AT-ATs.
Here, Fred!
from "Den of Geek" (https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/star-wars-the-surprising-origins-of-the-at-at/)
Thanks Womby.
Well, coming back to the subject, things are becoming more and more concrete as I collect ingredients, including proper paint and decals. I also decided to procure a set of new/better/functional pantographs in China, I hope they arrive in time early in November. :angel:
Not finished yet, but the pantographs arrived just in time. :lol:
There's still another finished interim project on the bench waiting for pictures, but then things will start moving here.
After some unexpected delay, first signs of life from this project: the m,ajor ingredients so far, with no guarantee that the plan actually works!
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nXmB8H) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Nothing to show yet, but I organized a pair of OEM lightbulbs for the chassis because they were missing when I bought it.
Things started moving for earnest yesterday, and - as usual for this kind of major construction projects - progress is rough but quick. However, some bets I made upon the ingredients procurement seem to turn out positively! ;D
Work started with the disassembly of the static Atlas NS Class 1200 model. It's all-styrene, just with a metal plate as a chassis. Against my expectations the model's hull was only held by two tiny screws under the "noses" on the chassis, so that I did not have to use force to separate it. The body's walls are also relatively thin, good for the upcoming modifications. The model also features two nice driver's stations, which could also be removed easily - they will have to go to make enough space for the electronics of the Märklin 3039 all-metal chassis.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nY1S9c) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Concerning the latter, I tested it and the motor is running well. The light bulbs are missing (see above), but they can be easily retrofitted, so that we will have light on both ends (after I drill the head- and taillights open for this purpose).
Dry-fitting the chassis under the Class 1200 hull revealed that the stunt will basically work - the chassis is less than 1mm too wide, but with some force it will fit. I just had to grind a little of the chassis' front edges away to reduce pressure on the styrene body. Here's a look how the chassis will sit under the nose section; on the left you can see the manual switch that allows to change between power sourcing either through the rails or the pantographs from above - I might try to keep this function through the new, retrofitted all-metal pantographs, but that will come at a later stage:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nXY5MY) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
To make the Class 1200 hull fit over the shorter BR 110 chassis, a plug of about 3 cm has to be take out of the body. The Class 1200 was deliberately chosen because it has ample length, and the body is rather bare on its mid-section, so that re.combining two shortened halves should not pose too many problems:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nXVxGm) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
To make the hull sit well on the chassis I added some styrene profiles inside of it - easy to glue them into place :mellow: At this time, the original fixed pantographs and some wiring on the roof had gone, brake hoses on the nose were removed to make space for the BR 110 couplers, and the clear windows were removed after a little fight /the were glued into their places, but thankfully each side has three separate parts instead of just one that would easily break) :
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nY1rHF) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Finally: a look into the new locomotive's innards before I start to try to stick the hull halves together again. The space under the lower nose sections is tight but enough for the light bulb consoles:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nY1rHf) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Veeeeeeery interesting Thomas. That motor on the new chassis looks an amp-hungry beast for sure!
Very interesting build, Dizzy (apart from using the Maerklin system :rolleyes: ;D ).
You could also have lengthened the loco frame, but it's true that, as Luxembourg it's an even smaller country than the Nederlands, it would need smaller locos... ;)
very interesting and inspiring :lol:
Well lengthening the chassis would be beyond my metal-working skills, and electronics is also not my strength. The ingredients were deliberately chosen to pose as little trouble as possible, even though there were still some open questions. As you will see in the background, the multi-purpose Class 3800 was created/procured initially for border-crossing passenger trains to Northern France and Germany, so that a four-axle layout would be more than enough.
Day #2 into the project, and things literally take shape. First measure: PSR on the flanks, and some more metal tweaking on the chassis' front ends to make it better fit under the bonnets. Here's a look after the first PSR round, with the body sitting on the chassis as intended:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nYdzk8) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Next technical challenge: even though the body sits well on the chassis, it should be held into place for better handling of the model later - after all, the plan is to make it "functional". I did not want to have visible screw in the roof, so that I had to find a underneath solution. I found a small space next to the motorized rear bogie, and drilled a hole into the chassis. Then a Spax screw was mated with a matching styrene profile adapter, which was roughly trimmed down to fit under the body shell.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nYdzjB) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
On the chassis' underside, things were modified, too. The Märklin model comes with a plastic "thing" that also featrures a slit for the power spource slit. It was damaged, though, so I just retained the slit section and transplanted compressed air bottles from the Atlas NS 1200 on the other side, with an opening for the new screw head:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nYaKWN) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Making things easy, my solution to fix the styrene adapter in/onto the body was simple: a huge blob of 2C putty secures the new part into place - and it worked like a charm! :lol:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nY8dJx) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
While drying and doing more PSR on the body, I also started work with the pantographs. Here's a comparion between the static OOB parts (rear) and the new, funtional all-metal replacements from China (front):
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nY8dJ7) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Very small and rather short screws hold them in place, so I drilled resspective holes and test-mounted them - and they look rather nice!'
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800) of the Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2nYd9LL) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Holes for the front and rear lights were also already drilled into the body. At the moment I try to figure out how I can (safely) connect the pantographs in the roof with the power source switch on the chassis. I will propably solder cables between the switch and each pantograph, which will run through additional small holes under the pantographs, so that the tony screws that hold them remain free and unmodified. But if this stunt works I will achieve much more than expected, and the locomotive will have full OEM functionality! :mellow:
The usual method for having functional pantographs is to solder the wire to a small washer that will be inserted between the roof and the screw head. No other holes through the roof. Obviously supposing that your screws are conductive.
Ahem... as Germany uses 15 kV, 16.7 Hz AC juice, and Luxembourg (and northern France) 25 kV, 50 Hz AC, what is your technical solution?
Well, with the original screws there will be no space for a washer, because they are very short and small (1mm diameter, I guess!), too. If I could I'd avoid additional holes, but with the resources at hand I'll just have to improvise. Märklin does it on the original 3039 body with a single piece of thin sealing strip that internally connects both pantographs and the switch on the chassis. Re-creating that is beyond my capabilities.
And maybe the CFL Class 3800 is a multi-voltage locomotive...? ;) For instance, the German E 310/BR 181 locomotives from the Sixties were equipped with a converter and other equipment for the different French and German alternate current systems.
Those new pantographs look REALLY good, what loco were they intended for in the first place?
Multi-voltage locos are relatively common these days, they just heed hefty transformers and sometimes an inverter if they're running on DC.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 09, 2022, 05:05:59 AMThose new pantographs look REALLY good, what loco were they intended for in the first place?
To be honest, I have no idea! They are generic stuff from China, sold seperately (got them via ev!lbay). I guess that "correct" OEM pantographs that mimic a specific/real-world type would have cost three to five times what I paid... But they look the part. ;)
Day #3, with only little progress. I realized that I need some special paints for this project, so I ordered them online and it might take a couple of days that they (hopefully) arrive. However, there are other points of interest that can be taken care of.
Most of yesterday's evening went into technical aspects - the attempt to make the pantographs functional, so that the locomotive can be powered wither through the tracks or the catenary. Some (crude) wiring and soldering followed - and when everything was connected, it turned out that it works and that the pantographs are truly conductive! :lol:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYir6r) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
A simple plug connection allows the body to be separated from the chassis, and the pantographs can later also be removed/exchanged, should need be. After this partial victory my attention moved to the roof, where the OOB wirings (not shown in the following picture) were trimmed down to match the shortened body and I added some roof details, primarily a cooler arrangement for a regenerative brake system. It also helps to hide the seam... :rolleyes:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYoL4Y) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Good work on the wiring Dizzy :thumbsup:
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on November 10, 2022, 12:43:08 AMGood work on the wiring Dizzy :thumbsup:
Gondor
Yeah, I would have burnt it to the ground if i'd tried that.
Day #4/5, not really much happened. I disassembled the chassis further for painting, esp. the shiny wheel discs need IMHO to be toned down. Everything below the waterline will become black, with some dry-brushing to poit ot details and simulate dust and rust from the tracks.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYzecq) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
While this is drying overnight I started on the body shell with a first coat of grey primer. The seam area on the flanks looks good, but we will know for sure when this has dried, too.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYxRk7) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
The lower parts have been painted - not certain if the difference can be told at all. though? Some matt varnish to follow, the details on the bogies come out much better now.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYzRWz) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
The body had after priming a better quality than expected, only some minor sanding has been necessary to even out some dents, but no more PSR. Basic overall painting from the rattle can can follow soon, the livery will be quite simple and inspired by the real CFL Class 3600 locomotives. :lol:
Right side:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYxsXD) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Left side:
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYuZkp) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Just before basic painting I added soem small details to the hull. Two small plugs cover holes from removed pressurized air hoses on the headstocks (not visible here), and I remembered some PE brass ladders a good friend gave to me a while ago. They were tailored to fit in length and now found very good use at the shunting platforms on the hull's corners and under the driver's cabin doors. This will make the locomotive a bit delicate to handle, yes, but it won't be used much in the future. The gain in realism and style is hard to beat, though?
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYBD8s) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Time for paint now! :lol:
Final update for today... The basic tone is RAL 3005 (Weinrot), which comes close to the CFL's ruby-red primary locomotive tone since the Sixties - it could be a tad more brownish, but it's O.K.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYBZsy) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
After several layers of spray paint detail painting started, with dark grey roof segments (and pantograph bases, so that they blend in well), silver-grey louvres, shiny metal handles and some yellow highlighty for the ladders' handrails.
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H0 scale "3804" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYBZrS) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
This has to dry thoroughly overnight, tomorrow some weathering and decals should follow. We need some yellow cheatlines for a proper CFL look!
That's looking pretty classy Thomas, and the chassis is much improved with the wheel rims blackened too.
Thank you, Kit. Good news: the light bulbs arrived today, and now we have light on both end of the locomotive. :lol:
Another update, with some visible progress. Black ink washing overall and light dry-brushing for light weathering, follwed by decals. Stripes, CFL logos and numbers came friom TL Modellbau, the small stencils from Andreas Nothaft (modellbahndecals.de).
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H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYLrvQ) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
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H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYPim4) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
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H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYMUu5) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
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H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYHYNw) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
BTW, here's the design inspiration, the CFL Class 3600:
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I see what you mean about the colour, the orijinal is more Mauve than Red but then it is a whiff. Looks good anyway :thumbsup:
Gondor
About to apply a final coat of matt varnish (roof conduits stil missing here, though):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52495640562_75ecd403bf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYRT25)H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2nYRT25) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
After that, only the clear head- and taillights have to be created (ClearFix and glass painting colors) and the windows have to be put back in place (so that they hopefully hold upon touch!). Looking good so far. <_<
Quote from: Gondor on November 12, 2022, 08:59:31 AMI see what you mean about the colour, the orijinal is more Mauve than Red but then it is a whiff. Looks good anyway :thumbsup:
Gondor
Well, the tone is hard to graps, and the Class 3600 in the picture is quite worn. Colors on screens are also always hard to judge.
For example, here's a look at two of the CFL's Class 1600 NOHAB diesel locomotives side by side; a very saturated picture, but the difference of the same shade of wine red is evident! "My" RAL tone is not too far off...
(https://www.railroadpictures.de/bilder/L--/L---CFL/1600/komprimiert/1600-1602-2.jpg)
I think you've made a very good judgement re the red. From my Luftwaffe struggles, I'm very much aware of how much more a matter of it "looking good" than " being accurate" it is.
And, being an ex-fullscale railer myself, it's really cool to see a loco whif in motion! :wub:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 13, 2022, 03:17:39 AMQuote from: Gondor on November 12, 2022, 08:59:31 AMI see what you mean about the colour, the orijinal is more Mauve than Red but then it is a whiff. Looks good anyway :thumbsup:
Gondor
Well, the tone is hard to graps, and the Class 3600 in the picture is quite worn. Colors on screens are also always hard to judge.
For example, here's a look at two of the CFL's Class 1600 NOHAB diesel locomotives side by side; a very saturated picture, but the difference of the same shade of wine red is evident! "My" RAL tone is not too far off...
(https://www.railroadpictures.de/bilder/L--/L---CFL/1600/komprimiert/1600-1602-2.jpg)
Going by that picture you are quite right.
Gondor
How about adding some black window surrounds? Many locos have rubber extrusions there to keep the glass in place.
I considered this, but I left the window frames "as is". The clear inserts already have silver trim OOB, and it looks fine on the model. The locomotive has now been finally assembled and can be considered "finished". It's looking very good, much better than expected, even though the matt varnish turned out to be quite glossy. But the finish is even and it actually suits the wine red base well. :lol:
Scenic pictures will be challenging, though. Because I do not have a proper H0 landscaoe at hand I will take separate pictures and photoshop scenes with the help of real pictures. Doing this with an extended pantograph will be challenging, though, and probably take some time.
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 14, 2022, 12:09:04 AMI considered this, but I left the windoiw frames "as is". The clear inserts already have silver trim OOB, and it looks fine on the model.
Oh yes, that'll make a lot of difference. :thumbsup:
Congratulations for your build and for having chosen a category usually neglected by whiffers. :thumbsup: AND for using 1/87 and not that dastardly 1/76... ;D
Nice. :thumbsup:
Also reminiscent of the Pennsy GG1. ;)
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The beautiful :wub: GG-1 has ben the subject of industrial scale model whiffing.
Mehano/IHC has done the GG-1 in New Haven. Great Northern and Milwaukee liveries. Railroads that never had the GG-1. :banghead:
Ones that never even had electricity too................ :-\
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2022, 02:20:36 AMOnes that never even had electricity too................ :-\
No, for that matter all 3 railroads HAD electric locos, just not that one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jdvHW0qs/1024px-Great-Northern-electric-locomotive-Cascade-Tunnel-1924.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/WbsmbbvW/800px-Milwaukee-Road-Little-Joe.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rwmSxnz5/New-Haven-Railroad-train-at-Bridgeport-station-September-1962.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Quote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 03:58:59 AMQuote from: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2022, 02:20:36 AMOnes that never even had electricity too................ :-\
No, for that matter all 3 railroads HAD electric locos, just not that one.
Not quite what I meant.
Some model companies produced models of GG1s in liveries of railroads that NEVER had o'head, the UP to mention but one.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2022, 06:12:45 AMQuote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 03:58:59 AMQuote from: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2022, 02:20:36 AMOnes that never even had electricity too................ :-\
No, for that matter all 3 railroads HAD electric locos, just not that one.
Not quite what I meant.
Some model companies produced models of GG1s in liveries of railroads that NEVER had o'head, the UP to mention but one.
So there are still more liveries? Interesting, I have never seen them, only the ones I mentioned.
If you see any, pls warn me, I am curious.
Quote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 08:40:20 AMSo there are still more liveries? Interesting, I have never seen them, only the ones I mentioned.
If you see any, pls warn me, I am curious.
Not sure if they're still in production, the ones I mention were about in the 80s, and raised more than a few comments in the Model Railroader magazine letters columns!
The UP version stuck out as it looked SO obvious in Armour Yellow, but I think there was a Conrail version too and at least one other.
Fictional GG1s are also very popular among railroad simulation players. At least there I have seen a bright blue Conrail specimen.
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 15, 2022, 09:48:00 AMFictional GG1s are also very popular among railroad simulation players. At least there I have seen a bright blue Conrail specimen.
Penn Central, Conrail, Amtrak,and New Jersey Transit are real, after the demise of PRR.
The whif versions, made by Mehano/IHC date from the eighties, like the UP Kit remembers. I would vey much like to find one. I have to confess I collect the GG-1, still missing the Milwaukee one, the others aren't too difficult to find, and not too expensive.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 15, 2022, 09:12:14 AMQuote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 08:40:20 AMSo there are still more liveries? Interesting, I have never seen them, only the ones I mentioned.
If you see any, pls warn me, I am curious.
Not sure if they're still in production, the ones I mention were about in the 80s, and raised more than a few comments in the Model Railroader magazine letters columns!
The UP version stuck out as it looked SO obvious in Armour Yellow, but I think there was a Conrail version too and at least one other.
I have ALL MR since early fifties up to about 2000, but I am afraid checking 10 years of letters columns is too much for me.... :o
Quote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 12:34:07 PMQuote from: Dizzyfugu on November 15, 2022, 09:48:00 AMFictional GG1s are also very popular among railroad simulation players. At least there I have seen a bright blue Conrail specimen.
Penn Central, Conrail, Amtrak, and New Jersey Transit are real, after the demise of PRR.
As a (mostly) daily commuter on NJT's Atlantic City Line, which used to be shared between PRR and Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Line (Wiki link here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_City_Line)), I'd have loved the line to remain fully electrified to AC and run with GG1s, instead of the GP40PHs Transit runs now.
Quote from: scooter on November 15, 2022, 12:49:09 PMQuote from: loupgarou on November 15, 2022, 12:34:07 PMQuote from: Dizzyfugu on November 15, 2022, 09:48:00 AMFictional GG1s are also very popular among railroad simulation players. At least there I have seen a bright blue Conrail specimen.
Penn Central, Conrail, Amtrak, and New Jersey Transit are real, after the demise of PRR.
As a (mostly) daily commuter on NJT's Atlantic City Line, which used to be shared between PRR and Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Line (Wiki link here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_City_Line)), I'd have loved the line to remain fully electrified to AC and run with GG1s, instead of the GP40PHs Transit runs now.
Well, the GG-1 were getting quite old. From what I read entered service with the PRR in 1935!
Even if I love old locos, I am afraid that by the time the last GG1 was retired by New Jersey Transit in 1983, they deserved their retirement.
Isn't there a preserved GG-1 still running somewhere?
[Later] Apparently not, I just checked. :(
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/50/70/26/5070262ed1fd93c47959857e45c43b1e--electric-locomotive-delaware.jpg)
Strewth! :o
Nothing new here, yet. First attempt to take pics in front of a black BG failed, and there are family affairs that I must take care of first. :-\
Second attempt to take some pictures in front of a neutral background was more successful, even though I did not worka alot with the light so that the black cardboard still reflects a lot of light. So, here's a first look at the finished/completed CFL Class 3800; scenic pictures will follow, too, but they are more complex to create because I have to make composings from model shots and real life scenes. Tricky. I will post the background story and technical data with these, too.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52515702447_340fa92dde_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGHD)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - front left (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGHD) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52515702327_2907ed9304_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGFz)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - right side (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGFz) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52516724878_127c0e0983_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1HWDL)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - upper left front end (https://flic.kr/p/2o1HWDL) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52516443669_92ff4007d9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1Gv4k)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - left side (https://flic.kr/p/2o1Gv4k) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52515702382_d6888385db_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGGw)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - right side (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGGw) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52515702422_94b52cd3b2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGHd)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - profile from the left (https://flic.kr/p/2o1CGHd) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52516654565_4d2ff55bde_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1HzKt)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - top view right side (https://flic.kr/p/2o1HzKt) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52516443729_ef28d67a4f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1Gv5n)H
0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - top view front end left (https://flic.kr/p/2o1Gv5n) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52516175631_f1f504c045_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o1F8nZ)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) - top view rear end left side (https://flic.kr/p/2o1F8nZ) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Oh yes, that does look very 'real'. :thumbsup:
I am most impressed!
Thank you. It looks quite convincing, both concerning the "markings" but also the finish. The PE ladders really improve the look. :lol:
In the meantime I found out that (at least) one NS Class 1200 received a very similar livery - apparently after it was sold to a private operator:
(https://www.bahnbilder.de/1200/am-30-maerz-2013-stellt-1281490.jpg)
I was not aware of this, but good ideas seem to pop up independently. :mellow:
Hmpf, schenic pics are in the works., but they turn out to be more complex than expected - perspective is an issue, and the delicate pantograph makes picture transplants very complicated. :-\
"No Pain, No Gain" they say. The pictures you have done so far look great anyway :thumbsup:
Gondor
Progress on scenic pics is slow, just five so far, and they are probably not finished yet.
Finally, I was able to glue together six scenic pictures, and here's the story about the CFL's Series 3800, too.
Some background:
The Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (Luxembourg National Railway Company, abbreviated CFL) is the national railway company of Luxembourg. The Luxembourg rail system comprises (only) 275 route-kilometres (170 miles), of which 140 kilometres (87 mi) is double track and 135 kilometres (84 mi) single track. Of the total track length of 617 kilometres (383 mi), 576 kilometres (358 mi) are electrified at 25 kV, 50 Hz AC.
Luxembourg borders Belgium, France and Germany. Correspondingly, there are cross-border services into these countries. Some are wholly run by CFL, whereas others are run by SNCF, NMBS/SNCB and DB. CFL passenger trains cover most of the network and are operated by EMUs and electric locomotives, typically with push-pull stock. Despite a high degree of electrification, the CFL also had a fleet of diesel locomotives for hauling freight trains and for general shunting purposes. CFL.
The CFLs first electric locomotive, introduced in 1958, was the Class 3600, the so-called "fer à repasser" (= "electric iron"), a group of twenty electric locomotives that were built to the design of the French BB 12000 class. These were primarily intended for freight trains but also capable of pulling light passenger trains with up to 120 km/h (75 mph). The Class 3600 was originally designed to be capable of pulling 750 ton trains along a grade of 10 ‰, but in service it proved more than capable, frequently pulling 1100 tons and then even 1400 ton trains without problems.
However, for fast and heavier passenger trains, especially those that crossed the borders to Northern France with the same 25 kV, 50 Hz alternating current system as Luxembourg as well as to Germany with its 15 kV, 16.7 Hz electrification, the CFL ordered twelve additional dual system locomotive. They were more powerful and faster than the Class 3600 and became the new Class 3800 – roughly comparable with the German E 310/BR 181 dual system locomotives that were operated in the same region. The Class 3800 machines were designed and built between 1959 and 1961 in the Netherlands by Werkspoor in Utrecht, with technical support from the German Siemens-Schuckert-Werke (SSW) for the electric systems. They were heavily influenced by the contemporary Co′Co′ multipurpose Series 1200 electric locomotives for the Netherlands Spoorwegen (NS), originally designed by Baldwin and sporting typical American styling with a brawny silhouette, stepped "Cab unit" style nose sections and doors at the locomotives' front ends to allow direct access to a coupled wagon from the driver cabins.
Even though they were based on the NS Series 1200, the CFL Class 3800 units used a shortened main frame and newly developed bogies with a Bo′Bo' arrangement. All in all, the Class 3800 was more than 20 tons lighter than its Dutch six-axle sibling and only shared a superficial similarity – under the hood, the locomotive was technically totally different from the NS' Series 1200 (which was designed for the Dutch 1.5 kV DC system).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524487711_12b563295b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJgH)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJgH) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524022362_d14d2d829e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2nkWs)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2nkWs) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
The locomotives drew their energy from the 15 kV / 16 2/3 Hz or 25 kV / 50 Hz catenary via two diamond pantographs with contact strips of different lengths for the different areas of application. The 3-core transformers were oil-cooled, to which the control unit with its 28 running steps was connected. The acceleration was designed to function in delayed mode, where the engineer chose the running step, and the control unit would initiate the chosen setting independently. For emergency operation manual control by hand crank was possible, too. The voltage reached the main transformer via an air-operated main switch. On the secondary side, the traction motors were controlled via thyristors using stepless phase angle control, a modern technology at the time, as were the comparatively light mixed current motors. Mechanical switching mechanisms were therefore no longer required, and the vehicle control technology also worked with modern electronics. To ensure a good frictional connection between rail and wheel, the power converters always regulated a slightly lower tractive force on the preceding wheel sets of each bogie. If, however, one or more wheelsets slipped, the drive control reduced the tractive effort for a short time.
The CFL Class 3800's four traction motors collective output was 3,700 kW (5,000 hp). This gave the Class 3800 a tractive effort of 275 kN (62,000 lbf) and a theoretical top speed of 150 km/h (93 mph), even though this was in practice limited to 140 km/h (87 mph). A time-division multiplex push-pull and double-traction control system was installed, too, so that two of these locomotives could together handle heavier freight trains and exploit the locomotives' good traction. All locomotives featured an indirect air brake, with automatically stronger braking action at high speeds; for shunting/switching service an additional direct brake was present, too. All units featured a separately excited rheostatic/regenerative brake, which was coupled to the air brake. The heat generated by the electric brakes was dissipated via roof exhausts, supported by a pair of cooling fans.
The safety equipment in the driver's cab featured a mechanical or electronic deadman's device, punctiform automatic train controls, and train radio equipment with GSM-R communication. For operations in Germany the units received a third front light and separate red taillights, as well as an "Indusi" inductive system for data transfer between the track and locomotive by magnets mounted beside the rails and on the locomotive. Later in their career, automatic door locking at 0 km/h was retrofitted, which had become a compulsory requirement for all locomotives in passenger service.
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H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2raSU) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524487911_2903049716_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJka)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJka) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
After a thorough test phase of the pre-production locomotives 3801 and 3802 in 1960, the first Class 3800 serial units went into service in 1961 and were, due to the characteristic design of their driver's cabins and their bulky shape, quickly nicknamed "Bouledogue" (Bulldog). The initial two locomotives were delivered in a pale blue-grey livery, but they were soon repainted in the CFL's standard burgundy/yellow corporate paint scheme, and all following Class 3800 locomotives from 3803 on were directly delivered in this guise.
Initially, the service spectrum of the Bouledogues comprised primarily fast passenger trains on the CFL's domestic main routes to the North and to the East, with additional border-crossing express trains, including prestigious TEE connections, to Germany (e. g. to Trier and Cologne) and France (Paris via Reims). The 3800s supplemented the CFL's fast Series 1600 diesel locomotives on these important international destinations once they had been fully electrified. Occasionally, they were also used for freight trains in the industrial Esch-sur-Alzette region and for fast freight trains on the electrified main routes, as well as for regional passenger traffic on push-pull trains. Heavier freight trains remained the working field of the CFL Class 3600, even though occasional ore trains were handled by Class 3800 locomotives in double traction, too.
Even though Werkspoor hoped for more CFL orders for this dual-system type, the twelve Series 3800 locomotives remained the sole specimen. Potential buyers like Belgium or the Netherlands also did not show much interest – even though the SNCB ordered several multi-system locomotives, including eight indigenous Class 16 locomotives, equipped to run in France, Netherlands and Germany, or the six Class 18 four-system machines derived from the French SNCF CC 40100 express passenger locomotives.
During the Nineties the CFL started to use more and more EMUs on the domestic passenger routes, so that the Class 3800s gradually took over more and more freight train duties, relieving the older Series 3600s and replacing diesel-powered locomotives (esp. the Class 1800) on electrified routes. Border-crossing passenger train services were furthermore limited to trains to Germany since long-distance passenger train services in France switched to the TGV train system with its separate high-speed lines. Freight trains to France were still frequent Class 3800 duties, though, and occasionally coal trains were pulled directly to the industrial Ruhr Area region in Western Germany.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524488221_247e7cdc15_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJqv)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2pJqv) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52524965030_53df912232_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2sbam)
H0 scale "3809" (Class 3800 dual-system multi-purpose locomotive); Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Luxembourgeois (CFL; Luxembourg National Railway Company), 1991 (What-if/scratch-built) (https://flic.kr/p/2o2sbam) by Dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
After the Millennium the Class 3800s gradually lost their duties to the new CFL Class 4000 multi-system locomotives, a variant of the Bombardier TRAXX locos found working across Europe. On 31 December 2006 the last Class 3800 (3809) was retired. Their versatility, robustness and performance have, however, allowed some of these locomotives to exceed 45 years of service. Bouledogue "3803" reached more than 9,2 million kilometers (5.7 million miles), a remarkable performance.
Only two 3800s had to be written off during the type's career: 3804 suffered a major transformer damage and was destroyed by the ensuing fire near Troisvierges in Northern Luxembourg and 3810 was involved in a freight train derailment south of Differdange, where it was damaged beyond repair and had to be broken up on site. A single Class 3800 locomotive (3811) survived the retirement and has been kept as a static exhibition piece at the CFL Dépot at Luxembourg, the rest was scrapped.
General characteristics:
Gauge: 1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in) standard gauge
UIC axle arrangement: Bo´Bo´
Overall length: 16.49 m (54 ft 1 in)
Pivot distance: 7,9 m (25 ft 10 in)
Bogie distance: 3,4 m (11 ft 1½ in)
Wheel diameter (when new): 1.250 mm (4 ft 1½ in)
Service weight: 83 t
Engine:
Four traction motors with a collective output of 3,700 kW (5,000 hp)
Performance:
Maximum speed: 150 km/h (93 mph), limited to 140 km/h (87 mph) in service
Torque: 275 kN starting tractive effort
164 kN continuous traction effort
WHAAAAAT? :o
Those pics are AMAZING Thomas, you've integrated the model loco in to the RW pic brilliantly! The model is excellent in its own right, but in combination with the pics it's OUTSTANDING! :thumbsup:
Photoshop skillz are gonna mess with folks on other forums. :thumbsup: :wacko: :wacko:
Thank you, glad you like it. But I am really not good at photoshopping composings, it's quite a complex task and my attempts prove me that the combination of disparate visual elements is not a trivial task. Too much light on the model, shooting it with a proper perspective is tricky (to say the least) and to me everything look too "constructed". But for the H0 locomotive it was the only viable option. Finished, at last! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 26, 2022, 09:17:35 AMThank you, glad you like it. But I am really not good at photoshopping composings, it's quite a complex task and my attempts prove me that the combination of disparate visual elements is not a trivial task. Too much light on the model, shooting it with a proper perspective is tricky (to say the least) and to me everything look too "constructed". But for the H0 locomotive it was the only viable option. Finished, at last! :rolleyes:
Even so, thats far, far better than I can do.
Gondor
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 26, 2022, 08:56:04 AMWHAAAAAT? :o
Those pics are AMAZING Thomas, you've integrated the model loco in to the RW pic brilliantly! The model is excellent in its own right, but in combination with the pics it's OUTSTANDING! :thumbsup:
YES. Dizzy, some of the photos are really fantastic!
I'll be frank; the images aren't up to your usual exceptional standard, Thomas, but they're still far better than the vast majority of the rest of us could achieve! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on November 26, 2022, 09:17:35 AMThank you, glad you like it. But I am really not good at photoshopping composings, it's quite a complex task and my attempts prove me that the combination of disparate visual elements is not a trivial task. Too much light on the model, shooting it with a proper perspective is tricky (to say the least) and to me everything look too "constructed". But for the H0 locomotive it was the only viable option. Finished, at last! :rolleyes:
You could find someone with a large HO layout to photograph it on.
Good job.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 26, 2022, 08:56:04 AMWHAAAAAT? :o
Those pics are AMAZING Thomas, you've integrated the model loco in to the RW pic brilliantly! The model is excellent in its own right, but in combination with the pics it's OUTSTANDING! :thumbsup:
My thoughts exactly :bow: :bow:
Thanks a lot, everyone! :bow:
Quote from: Old Wombat on November 27, 2022, 12:32:18 AMI'll be frank; the images aren't up to your usual exceptional standard, Thomas, but they're still far better than the vast majority of the rest of us could achieve! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
l haven't been following the construction, so l'm browsing through on my phone and l'm like, is that a model?
BRILLIANT :bow: