Provisional rules for the Buccaneer, Harrier and Jaguar GB are below.
Any questions raise them here please.
1. The Buccaneer, Harrier and Jaguar GB begins 00:01 01/11/2023 and ends 23:59 31/01/2024 (all times local). An extension may/may not be considered/granted according to demand,
2. Physical models of any scale, profiles, and/or stories are eligible, but they must be a whiff of one, two, or all three of the following aircraft (or aircraft developed from them):
The Blackburn Buccaneer.
The HS Harrier (including any member of the Harrier family including Sea Harrier, BA/MD AV-8B/Gr.5/7/9 etc)
The Bae/Sepecat Jaguar
Entries can be as simple or as complex as you wish. If in doubt as to what is included in the GB then please PM the Moderators.
3. You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!). The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always. If you are unsure as to how to post pictures of your build on site then please contact Narses2 by Personal Message and he will go through it with you.
When posting your finished models in the Finished Builds Thread can you try and stick as closely as possible to the following format.
Title : By (entrants user name) : a brief description backstory/explanation (100 characters or so) : and a maximum of three pictures with a link to the build/progress thread. This will also apply to profiles/images.
Where members have written a story for their GB entry, they should post it in the Finished Builds Thread as normal.
Can members also refrain from posting any comments regarding entries within the Finished Builds Thread but use the link to the main build/progress thread page for these. This makes the Moderators task when it comes to organising the poll much simpler.
4. Preparation work is allowed prior to the start of the GB but is limited to removal and cleaning up of parts from sprues, casting blocks or cutting out vacform parts from their backing sheet, even designing and printing your own decals. The design and printing of 3D parts is also allowed, but no assembly. Anything involving modification of parts, test fitting, pre-painting and actual assembly is not allowed prior to the start of the GB, but see Rule 5 below.
5. Part-started models may be used purely at the discretion of the Moderators providing they are not too close to being finished, and this will be the Moderators decision. You must send pictures of the model you intend to use in the GB, along with a rough idea of what your plans for it are via a PM and their decision will be final. However, they must have been started prior to the current GB Season's themes being announced. We will be relying on the integrity of the membership to uphold this rule. If using a part started kit then this should be clearly stated at the beginning of your build thread.
Scrapped models that have been reduced to component parts or sections can be used, although you should check with the Moderators if you are not sure about the eligibility of those you intend to use. You can also use a completed sub-assembly taken from a kit which may have been previously assembled and which the whiffer wants to build into their GB entry. If in doubt, then as usual contact the Moderators with as much information as possible.
6. No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6? It's one rule or another so from now on it's 6.
7. Moderators are PR19 Kit and Aeroplane Driver. Thank you, gentlemen.
8. The completed entries thread will be locked at the end of the GB and only those items posted prior to it being locked will be eligible for the vote. shortly afterwards the poll will be set up. The number of votes per forum member will be based upon a ratio of one vote per three entries, rounded up or down to the nearest whole number.
In the event of a tie there will be no run-off. We will simply have a joint first place and then a third place (no second) this is to preserve the three into the Whiffies as detailed in Rule 9. Similarly, a three way tie will mean there is no second and third. (Please don't ask me about a four way tie !)
9. The first three placed entries in the Group Build will automatically be nominated for a Whiffy in the specific Group Build Class.
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Hopefully I can pre-empt discussions re eligibility by editing a post from the Lightning Hunter Canberra GB:
Some one will ask "What percentage of the donor Buccaneer, Harrier and/or Jaguar is passable for this GB?
The answer is...
...it depends.
If the aim is to build a BH or J (or BHJ derivative/prototype) then the answer is none. You can use anything and everything to create it. No actual Buccaneer, Harrier or Jaguar parts are needed.
For example, it would be acceptable to chop up and combine a Mitsubishi F1 and a Mirage F1 and call the result a SuperJag.
If the aim is to build something that is not a BH or J using BH or J parts then the answer is "a significant amount". How much a significant amount is is decided by the mods so run your plans past them and they will deem them acceptable or not.
As a rough guide, using a Buccaneer arrestor hook as the hood ornament on a Hot Rod that contains no other BH or J parts would not be acceptable while cutting the wings off s Harrier and turning the fuselage into a motorbike would be OK.
Don't forget that if using B and/or H and/or J parts then the resulting whiff does not have to be a BH or J. If you want to build a Sopwith Camel out of a Jaguar then you can.
HTH :mellow:
I presume longer wings are an acceptable option ;D
Quote from: zenrat on October 20, 2023, 04:40:43 AMDon't forget that if using B and/or H and/or J parts then the resulting whiff does not have to be a BH or J. If you want to build a Sopwith Camel out of a Jaguar then you can.
HTH :mellow:
:o :o :o :o
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 19, 2023, 06:12:58 AMProvisional rules for the Buccaneer, Harrier and Jaguar GB are below......
The HS Harrier.....
Recommend amended to:
The HS Harrier (including any member of the Harrier family including Sea Harrier, BA/MD AV-8B/Gr.5/7/9 etc)
The rest looks great
Reading what Fred posted has my brain all a tingle..Mirage 2000 converted into a super Jag :wacko:
Glad to help. :wacko:
Quote from: sandiego89 on October 20, 2023, 01:26:17 PMQuote from: NARSES2 on October 19, 2023, 06:12:58 AMProvisional rules for the Buccaneer, Harrier and Jaguar GB are below......
The HS Harrier.....
Recommend amended to:
The HS Harrier (including any member of the Harrier family including Sea Harrier, BA/MD AV-8B/Gr.5/7/9 etc)
The rest looks great
Yup, I'll do that now :thumbsup:
Do the aircraft that we are building have to stick with the fixed wings?
Quote from: McColm on October 21, 2023, 07:29:02 AMDo the aircraft that we are building have to stick with the fixed wings?
I'd be fascinated to see a Jaguarnithoper!! I can't imagine what a rotary wing Harrier would look like, but if you can do it, why not!
Hmmm.... a submarine Buccaneer wth magnetohydrodynamic propulsion..... like Red October
Quote from: loupgarou on October 21, 2023, 09:33:56 AMHmmm.... a submarine Buccaneer wth magnetohydrodynamic propulsion..... like Red October
Stop reading my mind! :angry:
Now, where's that bloody tin-foil hat? :-\
Quote from: Old Wombat on October 22, 2023, 02:12:33 AMQuote from: loupgarou on October 21, 2023, 09:33:56 AMHmmm.... a submarine Buccaneer wth magnetohydrodynamic propulsion..... like Red October
Stop reading my mind! :angry:
Now, where's that bloody tin-foil hat? :-\
Make it a pirate sub and then who'd have a Buccaneer with a Buccaneer :wacko:
I assume that inspiration in Mitsubishi F-1 and T-2 are valid. :unsure:
Quote from: McColm on October 21, 2023, 07:29:02 AMDo the aircraft that we are building have to stick with the fixed wings?
Jaguar turned into an attack helicopter! :thumbsup: :wub:
Quote from: ysi_maniac on October 24, 2023, 11:16:55 PMI assume that inspiration in Mitsubishi F-1 and T-2 are valid. :unsure:
That's the nearest we've come to actually having a question about this GB so far.................
If you say it's a bit of a Jaguar, even though it's from an F-1 or a T-2, how are we to know? They look pretty much the same to me, but I'll confer with my fellow Mod.
Quote from: perttime on October 25, 2023, 01:24:26 AMQuote from: McColm on October 21, 2023, 07:29:02 AMDo the aircraft that we are building have to stick with the fixed wings?
Jaguar turned into an attack helicopter! :thumbsup: :wub:
Hey! That's my job!
Is there any objections to drone versions of the Harrier, Jaguar and Buccaneer?
Definitely NO objections. :thumbsup:
That's a relief, knowing me I'll probably get paint on the canopy. :thumbsup:
Wen i find time, i will with the Esci Harrier on the build.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/esci-ertl-9079-harrier-jump-jet--187445 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/esci-ertl-9079-harrier-jump-jet--187445)
The GB doesn't start for a day or so yet, plenty of time to go.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 25, 2023, 05:10:44 AMQuote from: ysi_maniac on October 24, 2023, 11:16:55 PMI assume that inspiration in Mitsubishi F-1 and T-2 are valid. :unsure:
That's the nearest we've come to actually having a question about this GB so far.................
If you say it's a bit of a Jaguar, even though it's from an F-1 or a T-2, how are we to know? They look pretty much the same to me, but I'll confer with my fellow Mod.
You _can_ tell the difference, but they're so similar that saying an F-1/T-2 part is a modified Jaguar part would be totally credible.
Quote from: zenrat on October 20, 2023, 04:40:43 AM:thumbsup:
Hopefully I can pre-empt discussions re eligibility by editing a post from the Lightning Hunter Canberra GB:
Some one will ask "What percentage of the donor Buccaneer, Harrier and/or Jaguar is passable for this GB?
The answer is...
...it depends.
If the aim is to build a BH or J (or BHJ derivative/prototype) then the answer is none. You can use anything and everything to create it. No actual Buccaneer, Harrier or Jaguar parts are needed.
For example, it would be acceptable to chop up and combine a Mitsubishi F1 and a Mirage F1 and call the result a SuperJag.
If the aim is to build something that is not a BH or J using BH or J parts then the answer is "a significant amount". How much a significant amount is is decided by the mods so run your plans past them and they will deem them acceptable or not.
As a rough guide, using a Buccaneer arrestor hook as the hood ornament on a Hot Rod that contains no other BH or J parts would not be acceptable while cutting the wings off s Harrier and turning the fuselage into a motorbike would be OK.
Don't forget that if using B and/or H and/or J parts then the resulting whiff does not have to be a BH or J. If you want to build a Sopwith Camel out of a Jaguar then you can.
HTH :mellow:
Assuming that this way of thinking about the rules is acceptable to the mods then you can use whatever you like and take inspiration from anywhere as long as you say the finished thing is some sort of Jaguar (or Buccaneer, or Harrier).
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2023, 04:34:13 AMAssuming that this way of thinking about the rules is acceptable to the mods then you can use whatever you like and take inspiration from anywhere as long as you say the finished thing is some sort of Jaguar (or Buccaneer, or Harrier).
My own view is that your model/drawing should have some link, no matter how tenuous, to the real world Jaguar, Buccaneer or Harrier, either that or your starting point should be a kit or parts from a kit of one or more of the 3. Otherwise what's the point of having an annual Poll to pick 3 subjects if you can just build what you want ?
I'd go along with that Chris, there has to be SOME sort of connection with the GB's title.
I intend to use a Tornado as the base for a super Jag..landing gear from a Mig27 as that looks very similar to the jags .
Modify the tail to look more like the Jag and as for wings ..it won't be a swing wing anymore.
I want to use A4 Skyhawk wings as the base and modify from there.
How's that sound for this GB
I'm choosing this idea as a Jaguar or Buccaneer kit here has an amazingly stupid price.
Sounds perfectly acceptable to me, go for it.
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2023, 02:06:11 PMSounds perfectly acceptable to me, go for it.
Well thank you very much my good Sir 😊
I shall and I've funnily enough thinking about the landing gear..making that look even more like a jags..with the single front and twin rear wheels..just not sure about their size yet .
Also been thinking about modifying the wings too..making em longer and wider ..they might be wide enough but pretty sure they won't be long enough :wacko:
Ma Second entry for the GB
The Old Imai Walker harrier from Macross :wacko:
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/imai-b-1263-gerwalk-harrier--1119642# (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/imai-b-1263-gerwalk-harrier--1119642#)
Quote from: Wardukw on October 31, 2023, 12:49:06 AMI shall and I've funnily enough thinking about the landing gear..making that look even more like a jags..with the single front and twin rear wheels..just not sure about their size yet .
Also been thinking about modifying the wings too..making em longer and wider ..they might be wide enough but pretty sure they won't be long enough :wacko:
You could keep twin nose-wheels and still be Jag-ish. The singleton Jaguar M, test flown by the Aeronavale, had exactly that configuration.
And wings can NEVER be long enough!
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 31, 2023, 09:34:36 AMQuote from: Wardukw on October 31, 2023, 12:49:06 AMI shall and I've funnily enough thinking about the landing gear..making that look even more like a jags..with the single front and twin rear wheels..just not sure about their size yet .
Also been thinking about modifying the wings too..making em longer and wider ..they might be wide enough but pretty sure they won't be long enough :wacko:
You could keep twin nose-wheels and still be Jag-ish. The singleton Jaguar M, test flown by the Aeronavale, had exactly that configuration.
And wings can NEVER be long enough!
That does make life easier as ghe Tornado has those already..im definitely going twins on the rear..it'll look better ;D
I was waiting for the wings can never be long enough mate 😄😄😄
Quote from: Wardukw on October 31, 2023, 09:45:17 AMI was waiting for the wings can never be long enough mate 😄😄😄
I'm for ever predictable on that front. ;D
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 31, 2023, 09:55:02 AMQuote from: Wardukw on October 31, 2023, 09:45:17 AMI was waiting for the wings can never be long enough mate 😄😄😄
I'm for ever predictable on that front. ;D
Yup 😃😃
And all the better for it :thumbsup:
Just out of curiosity than anything else as I have no intention of using one, but would a Grumman XF-10F be a suitable basis for an entry to the GB?
Gondor
Good question. It is, of course, a Jaguar too.
The mods will converse.................
Disregard me previous message. I just reread Rule 2 which specifies the BAe/SEPECAT Jaguar.
Gondor
Quote from: zenrat on October 30, 2023, 04:34:13 AM
... combine a Mitsubishi F1 and a Mirage F1 and call the result a SuperJag.
That is a great idea!! ;)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MitsubishiDassault-F-1.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/MitsubishiDassault-F-1.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)