So I was swithering whether to start this build now or wait for three weeks for the 60's Group Build. Its Fairey obvious that I have decided to start it now as I intend to have this finished by mid to late April in time for the Scottish Nationals and with my build rate, the sooner I start the higher the posibility of finishing in time.
So what is this Project 75, which by itself sounds like something from a cheap sci-fi novel of the 1950's. The answer is the first kit in 1/72 by Aerocraft (https://www.aerocraftmodels.com/172-scale-38-c.asp), the Fairey Project 75 to GOR. 339 which ultimately led to the TSR.2.
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The model is a nice and clean high resolution, 3D printed hollow model in multiple parts with lots of printing supports as you would expect from a kit in this medium. The fuselage parts look like this when removed from their supports.
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Here they lack any interior or the nose and tail cones which are cleverly designed only to fit into the relevant part due to a key printed into their ends. The above picture was taken on an A3 cutting mat to show the scale which is comperable to a 1/72 scale TSR.2.
The undercarriage, seen below, is well designed, allowing the tyres to be painted separately from the rest of the bicycle style main undercarriage. The face that there are outrigger wheels in each engine naseles reminds me somewhat of the Sud Aviation Vautour.
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The Print Supports I have kept as they may be useful for any sci-fi project I may undertake in the future, we shall see.
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More later as it's too cold outside right now to prime the nose section prior to painting.
Gondor
Veeeeeeery interesting! :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2024, 02:08:48 PMVeeeeeeery interesting! :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Damn! Now I want one of those as well 😎. 617 Sqn with Red Beard is the first thing that springs to mind....
Quote from: Accidental Loggie on February 12, 2024, 10:04:38 AMDamn! Now I want one of those as well 😎. 617 Sqn with Red Beard is the first thing that springs to mind....
The kit comes with two buckets of instans sunshine for the bomb bay which certainly look like Red Beard.
Gondor
Found a slight problem with the part that is both the bomb bay roof, front wall and rear wall, it is also a locating plug for the forward fuselage.
The problem was that the front wall/fuselage plug did not have a recess at the top to allow it to be slightly recessed into the center fuselage which made the front and rear walls of the bomb bay too far forward. The solution to the problem is to cut a step at the top on the wall/fuselage plug to allow it to fit into the centre fuselage, like this....
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which allows the bomb bay to look like this
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Side view,
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Front and
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rear. Admittedly the rear wall is a little out of place but it is just a dry test fit in the picture.
Aerocraft have told me that the part will be modified as well as letting all other existing customers will be notified of the problem and the solution.
Work is ongoing to tidy up the parts, once the majority have had this done I will give them a wash then deals with any problems which will have been caused mainly by me. Then primer and some gluing of parts possibly.
Gondor
I'd forget about Red Beard and cut straight to WE177. And 617 is too obvious a user, see also 16 Sqn. One of the more obscure Cranberry units - 6 or 15.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 12, 2024, 03:43:12 PMAnd 617 is too obvious a user, see also 16 Sqn.
Ah yes, but I already have a 15Sqn TSR2 but nothing from Six Foot. And there is of course the amended 617 Sqn motto option:
"Apres moi le champignon"
The kit comes with several markings for different squadrongs, 12, 13, 40 and 237 OCU.
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Not your normal kit decals, more home printed variety where the whole sheet is one decal and you have to cut out the individual item you want and trim the decal back.
Gondor
No real hardship, although a quick brush full of Microscale Liquid Decal Film over the top of the bit you're going to use and out with the scalpel.
Try using current Kora decals. Very similar. We had to back in the old days with Almark sheets.
Managed to get the canopy removed from it's pouring block as unlike the rest of the aircraft the canopy is clear cast resin rather than 3D printed resin.
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I will need to do a bit of blending in I think..
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.... and some sanding back of the fuselage.
Got a way to go befor I get to that part though
Gondor
Prepping of the parts before their first coat of primer has almost reached its end. The smaller wheels and ejection seats still need removing from their supports. I have found that the designer missed one item that can easily be scratch-built, the scissors link for the main undercarriage. This should go on the front of the leg from the center of the axle to just above the rim of the wheel, not the tyre.
View of the front of the main undercarriage leg.
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Gondor
I also have one of these and Alistair has emailed me instructions on the modification needed for the weapons bay
Quote from: Leading Observer on February 15, 2024, 02:01:09 PMI also have one of these and Alistair has emailed me instructions on the modification needed for the weapons bay
You now have a heads-up for the main undercarriage leg as well then.
Gondor
:thumbsup:
A short domestic interlude...
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These are the first parts that will be getting primer on them. They have just had a dip in warm water and had a good scrubbing down with an old toothbrush. I have also glued the first parts together.
On the right side of the teatowel, in line with the eggcup, there are the engine intake parts. The kit supplies a couple of double conical shapes that act as the intake shock cones, these have been glued to the parts that represent the engine fronts. I thought it might be better for me to glue these together now, rather than trying to remove paint from the hole that the shock cones go into later.
So priming tomorrow, and only a week since I got the kit too!
Gondor
I have kept myself busy with this build, or rather, I have kept myself busy taking parts off their supports. The latest parts to be released from their scaffolding are the ejector seats, printed as single pieces :o
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Yes, the pull handles are part of the seat and weren't additional items, gob-smacking detail in what can be 3D printed :blink:
Only a couple of spare joysticks and the tail bumper are left on the supports now. I still have to make sure the tyres fit onto the hubs of the outrigger wheels and tidy up the seats for all the preparation work to be completed, this is fast for me!
Gondor
VERY impressive!
I am looking forward to doing mine. Not decided on what mine will be armed with as yet, but will be mid 70's and wraparound camouflage. Could get a pair of bluewater missiles on it, as I think they could have been carried by TSR 2 couldn't they?
Quote from: chrisonord on February 16, 2024, 02:40:47 PMI am looking forward to doing mine. Not decided on what mine will be armed with as yet, but will be mid 70's and wraparound camouflage. Could get a pair of bluewater missiles on it, as I think they could have been carried by TSR 2 couldn't they?
Good luck hanging a pair of them under this thing. There is not much space for wing pylons at all which is why I don't think that it would ever have got into service.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on February 17, 2024, 01:29:38 AMQuote from: chrisonord on February 16, 2024, 02:40:47 PMI am looking forward to doing mine. Not decided on what mine will be armed with as yet, but will be mid 70's and wraparound camouflage. Could get a pair of bluewater missiles on it, as I think they could have been carried by TSR 2 couldn't they?
Good luck hanging a pair of them under this thing. There is not much space for wing pylons at all which is why I don't think that it would ever have got into service.
Gondor
I see, back to the drawing board then .
Thought I had better take a couple of pictures to back up my thoughts about fitting the Bluewater.
On reflection, they might fit. It would be a tight fit though. The picture with the missile shows the underside of the wing and the slot for the engine pylon. The larger of the missiles fins are also in the picture to show how much bigger it could be although the fins would be at 45o from the vertical and so not their full width.
The other picture shows the depth of the pylons, grey for the engine pylon and cream for the missile pylon, so this shows the amount of vertical room for the missile.
So yes, it could fit, but it would be tight.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on February 16, 2024, 12:57:47 PMthis is fast for me!
I'll say! Im struggling to keep up with your progress LOL ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Folding fins for your Bluewater, maybe?
Quote from: chrisonord on February 17, 2024, 01:45:16 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 17, 2024, 01:29:38 AMQuote from: chrisonord on February 16, 2024, 02:40:47 PMI am looking forward to doing mine. Not decided on what mine will be armed with as yet, but will be mid 70's and wraparound camouflage. Could get a pair of bluewater missiles on it, as I think they could have been carried by TSR 2 couldn't they?
Good luck hanging a pair of them under this thing. There is not much space for wing pylons at all which is why I don't think that it would ever have got into service.
Gondor
I see, back to the drawing board then .
Look at the TSR2 references, Paul Lucas BAC TSR.2: Lost Tomorrows of an Eagle, or Damien Burkes TSR2 Britains Lost Bomber, as there were a variety of missile designs developed for teh TSR2 which would be more suitable for the Project 75
Quote from: Thorvic on February 17, 2024, 04:41:20 AMQuote from: chrisonord on February 17, 2024, 01:45:16 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 17, 2024, 01:29:38 AMQuote from: chrisonord on February 16, 2024, 02:40:47 PMI am looking forward to doing mine. Not decided on what mine will be armed with as yet, but will be mid 70's and wraparound camouflage. Could get a pair of bluewater missiles on it, as I think they could have been carried by TSR 2 couldn't they?
Good luck hanging a pair of them under this thing. There is not much space for wing pylons at all which is why I don't think that it would ever have got into service.
Gondor
I see, back to the drawing board then .
Look at the TSR2 references, Paul Lucas BAC TSR.2: Lost Tomorrows of an Eagle, or Damien Burkes TSR2 Britains Lost Bomber, as there were a variety of missile designs developed for teh TSR2 which would be more suitable for the Project 75
Thanks Geoff,
Gondor said underwing space could be an issue, so somethimg small, or recessed into the bomb bay could be the way forward do you think?
Quote from: chrisonord on February 17, 2024, 04:48:25 AMGondor said underwing space could be an issue, so something small, or recessed into the bomb bay could be the way forward do you think?
Geoff is right. TSR2 Britain's Lost Bomber by Damien Burke has loads of different proposals for weapons that would be a reasonable fit in/over the bomb bay which could work.
Quote from: Martin H on February 17, 2024, 03:38:49 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 16, 2024, 12:57:47 PMthis is fast for me!
I'll say! Im struggling to keep up with your progress LOL ;D ;D :thumbsup:
I should be careful, I don't want to end up with jet lag :rolleyes:
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on February 12, 2024, 10:10:12 AMThe kit comes with two buckets of instans sunshine for the bomb bay which certainly look like Red Beard.
Gondor
Ohh, pictures of the weapons' please, or I can wait if they are going to be part of the in progress build.
Looks like a great kit
Quote from: sandiego89 on February 17, 2024, 05:55:04 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 12, 2024, 10:10:12 AMThe kit comes with two buckets of instant sunshine for the bomb bay which certainly look like Red Beard.
Gondor
Ohh, pictures of the weapons' please, or I can wait if they are going to be part of the in progress build.
Looks like a great kit
So far other than a couple of minor issues with the kit, everything else is down to me. The build will use them as I don't want to mess around adapting the bomb bay for anything else.
Gondor
Overwing Blue Waters maybe? ;D
Initial priming is completed for some of the parts. Undercarriage and bomb bays, engine intakes, exhausts, and other parts, and the cockpit area and interior. So it's time to think about paint colours.
I am thinking white for engine intakes and shock cones. White for the undercarriage bays, legs, and wheels, and the bomb bay too. Not sure what colour to paint the cockpit interior though :-\
As usual for me, painting the primer with Halford's rattle cans is a mixed bag. I always seem to get too much paint on some parts and not enough in others, the rest is rather inconsistent too. The coverage of the parts I have primed today is not fantastic, but it is close enough for me at the moment so now the primer has dried and the excess sanded off the exteriors with a 2800 flex-i-file stick I am good to paint engine parts and intake/exhaust parts as well.
Gondor
TSR2 and Lightning were Med Sea Grey and the photos of the P1121 mock up were similar. I'd go with that.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 17, 2024, 07:32:56 AMTSR2 and Lightning were Med Sea Grey and the photos of the P1121 mock up were similar. I'd go with that.
Sounds good to me Lee :thumbsup:
Gondor
The initial coat of paint has been applied to the cockpit. Xtracolor X3 Medium Sea Grey. Tomorrow morning the engine faces will be painted and the exhaust parts detailed, I will probably get all the doors cleaned up and primed along with the undercarriage legs. We will see though.
Gondor
I wasn't aware of this bird, but not anymore and that kit really looks good... Looking forward for more of this. :mellow:
Quote from: Martin H on February 17, 2024, 03:38:49 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 16, 2024, 12:57:47 PMthis is fast for me!
I'll say! Im struggling to keep up with your progress LOL ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Only 52 parts in the early versions, probably going to be an additional part in future.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on February 18, 2024, 02:59:56 AMQuote from: Martin H on February 17, 2024, 03:38:49 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 16, 2024, 12:57:47 PMthis is fast for me!
I'll say! Im struggling to keep up with your progress LOL ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Only 52 parts in the early versions, probably going to be an additional part in future.
Gondor
Just dont slow down to you normal pace. that would mean we wont see this finished before 2026 ;D ;D ;D (tounge firmly in cheek)
Quote from: Martin H on February 18, 2024, 07:41:56 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 18, 2024, 02:59:56 AMQuote from: Martin H on February 17, 2024, 03:38:49 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 16, 2024, 12:57:47 PMthis is fast for me!
I'll say! Im struggling to keep up with your progress LOL ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Only 52 parts in the early versions, probably going to be an additional part in future.
Gondor
Just dont slow down to you normal pace. that would mean we wont see this finished before 2026 ;D ;D ;D (tounge firmly in cheek)
Now who's being optimistic? :rolleyes:
Gondor
Only been painting so far today. Gloss White :banghead:
Hate the stuff. As this will be a camouflaged aircraft, thankfully the fuselage will not need to be painted in the stuff. Unfortunately, the undercarriage and bomb bays will.
I tarted up the Humbrol 53 that I have used for the rear of the engines and the exhaust nozzles by brushing some Xtracolor X500 Duralumin dry brushed onto the engine rear parts, I also used it for the engine fronts.
Among the things that I painted white were the intake shock cones, only to find out later when looking at the instructions that both the all-over white and the camouflaged machines have black shock cones :banghead:
I also forgot to paint the outrigger wheel bays under the engines, I can do that later when I get around to painting the undercarriage legs, all four of them.
Gondor
Relating!
But keep up the good work! I'll be looking forward to seeing the end result.
Fairey interested in following this one. Obscure, big, ugly, yet somehow beautiful! The kit looks amazing, and for sure, collecting the bits is a great idea. I can see lots of uses for them, ground handling equipment, ways to beach a flying boat, details for ships.....
Just been doing some prep work for later. Basically just drilling holes into things, so tomorrow I am going to buy a small cat scratching pad which looks like corrugated cardboard on its side this will be just the thing to place cocktail sticks into when the other end of them is in the holes I have just drilled.
Also decided on what size of plastic strip I will attempt to build a scissor link for the main undercarriage from, 0.03 x 0.1" is what I am going to use. First time doing something like this but I know what I want to do, it's a matter of can I do it?
Gondor
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 17, 2024, 07:32:56 AMTSR2 and Lightning were Med Sea Grey and the photos of the P1121 mock up were similar. I'd go with that.
More like Light Aircraft Grey
I've sat inside both cockpits of XR220 and they're darker than LAG.
Quote from: The Wooksta! on February 19, 2024, 02:31:13 AMI've sat inside both cockpits of XR220 and they're darker than LAG.
I was talking about undercarriage legs and bays. Cockpits were Dark Admiralty Grey
Well, it's my model and I will paint it how I like!
The cockpit will be Colourcoats M16 and the undercarriage and bomb bays will be Colourcoats M23.
Gondor
I made a slight change to the colours I am going to use. The bomb bay is going to stay white. This is mostly because the painting I have done to it looks reasonable at the moment so it would be a shame to change it.
The undercarriage legs and bays have been painted in Colourcoats M23, the cockpit will get redone in Colourcoats M16 tomorrow.
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The photo is a little out of focus because the phone decided that the cat scratching mat that I bought today is far better to focus on. You get to see the colour, if not the detail in the picture. The parts will need a second coat later though so maybe just as well you can't see any detail.
I am thinking of adding brake lines to the undercarriage legs. This is not something that I have done before so advice would be appreciated before I get too far with them.
Gondor
Second coat of Colourcoats M23 this evening, tomorrow I will re-paint the cockpit and a few others that I need to do while I have the tin open.
Gondor
If you are using armature wire for the brake lines, color them with a black permanent marker before installing them. It doesn't add thickness and lumpiness to the wire that way.
Quote from: kerick on February 20, 2024, 06:21:41 PMIf you are using armature wire for the brake lines, color them with a black permanent marker before installing them. It doesn't add thickness and lumpiness to the wire that way.
I don't have any armature wire as I don't know what gauge it is or the material it is made from, although I am guessing that it would be copper.
Anyway, I have repainted the cockpit! I am much happier with the colour now which is good.
Here is what it looked like yesterday
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Ignore the number on the back, that was the first colour I was going to paint it.
Halfway house
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New paint on the left which is still wet at this stage
And now
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Not doing any more tonight. I will be starting to do detailed painting of the cockpit tomorrow.
Gondor
Looks much better! I'll be waiting to see more. :thumbsup:
Armature wire is the fine copper wire used in motors and transformers. It has that super thin varnish like insulation that comes in different colors.
Quote from: kerick on February 21, 2024, 07:15:37 PMLooks much better! I'll be waiting to see more. :thumbsup:
Armature wire is the fine copper wire used in motors and transformers. It has that super thin varnish like insulation that comes in different colors.
Ah, that reddish varnish. Nope, I don't have any but I do have thin wire. I also have no idea how it should be routed other than it has to run over the scissor links.
Gondor
AKA wrapping wire. I use 0.5mm wrapping wire as spark plug wires for 1/25 model cars.
Quote from: Gondor on February 17, 2024, 03:30:03 AMThought I had better take a couple of pictures to back up my thoughts about fitting the Bluewater.
On reflection, they might fit. It would be a tight fit though. The picture with the missile shows the underside of the wing and the slot for the engine pylon. The larger of the missiles fins are also in the picture to show how much bigger it could be although the fins would be at 45o from the vertical and so not their full width.
The other picture shows the depth of the pylons, grey for the engine pylon and cream for the missile pylon, so this shows the amount of vertical room for the missile.
So yes, it could fit, but it would be tight.
Gondor
I agree - too much chance of the ordnance snagging the engine pod on the way out... not helpful. Or the engine ingesting the missile's exhaust... also not helpful.
Something semi-recessed into the bomb bay is a better idea. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2024, 05:24:39 AMQuote from: Gondor on February 17, 2024, 03:30:03 AMThought I had better take a couple of pictures to back up my thoughts about fitting the Bluewater.
On reflection, they might fit. It would be a tight fit though. The picture with the missile shows the underside of the wing and the slot for the engine pylon. The larger of the missiles fins are also in the picture to show how much bigger it could be although the fins would be at 45o from the vertical and so not their full width.
The other picture shows the depth of the pylons, grey for the engine pylon and cream for the missile pylon, so this shows the amount of vertical room for the missile.
So yes, it could fit, but it would be tight.
Gondor
I agree - too much chance of the ordnance snagging the engine pod on the way out... not helpful. Or the engine ingesting the missile's exhaust... also not helpful.
Something semi-recessed into the bomb bay is a better idea. :thumbsup:
I don't think that will work either.
It's all to do with the fact that the aircraft uses a bicycle-type undercarriage where one set of wheels are in front of the other.
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As you can see above, the cut-outs near the left and right sides of the picture are the undercarriage bays, the big gap in the middle is the bomb bay and below that in cream is a Blue Water missile.
So it looks like it won't fit that way either. All this is down to the design. Looks pretty but it's not a particularly practical design for doing anything other than lugging a couple of buckets of instant sunshine around and not much else that won't fit inside the bomb bay.
Gondor
See post #30? ;D
centre line on the spine ? :wacko:
Had a good look at the canopy fit and found out that the problem is with the cockpit, it has a middle-aged spread. I currently have the sides clamped into the correct width and will treat with a hair dryer tomorrow.
Gondor
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Gee, what do we have going on here? It's a clamp that's holding the fuselage at the width I desire and has been doing so since yesterday evening.
At least it's not a yellow triangle fitted to one wheel of my car!
After a bit of heat was applied with a hairdryer we get this...
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Looks good so far, I will check later without the clamp in place.
And the result.
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Quite pleased with this. The real result shall be seen when everything is inside the fuselage and the canopy goes on.
Gondor
That looks a SERIOUS engineering job Alastair! Clamps and stuff? Whatever next.................. :o
So I have actually glued some more parts together today, just to show some real progress other than faffing around with a hairdryer :ph34r:
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If I said I was exhausted after all that would you believe me?
The engine exhausts were in two parts and have been shown before. I simply added some super glue and put the rear of the engine inside the exhaust pipe. The above picture shows one exhaust from the front and one from the back. They will be fitted to the engines as one of the very last items to be added to the build as they simply slide right in.
Gondor
Not much done today, seemed to always be busy doing other things. I have managed to slap a bit of paint in a few places though.
An example of which are the intakes
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They look glossy but the paint is still wet. I overpainted the outside so that I could try masking them when I get around to painting the camouflage.
I also couched up the cockpit interior with more paint. I had intended to do the panels and boxes in black but that will have to be done tomorrow now.
Gondor
I had a day off work to get some things done outside of modelling and I accomplished them :thumbsup: I ended up with not much extra modelling time though. What I have managed to do is to glue some parts together.
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Excuse the paint tins, they were the only things that would stay in place while holding the main body of the engine nose down so you could see the rear. Part of the engine/shock core assembly sticks out of the back, it's meant to, as it acts as a locating plug for the rear of the engine assembly.
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Here are the main part and the rear section glued together. the whole thing is quite large. I now have applied filler to the join line which doesn't fall on a panel line. This makes it far easier to deal with in my opinion. I should have the filler sanded back tomorrow evening when you will get to see them looking far better than they do now.
Gondor
So on with the PSR.
The majority of the need for PSR is my own fault, so a word of warning for anyone following this. Use a slow-setting glue. I, in my normal fashion, after a test fit, thought there wouldn't be a problem so just used super glue and get on with it. So I ended up with a very slight step as I had the front of the engine pod a little low, not any more as I have used quite a large file to sort one of the pods out as I didn't have a spokeshave available, and the thing is big enough to use one on too.
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That's a scaled ruler in 1/72 scale, so you can see how big the engine pods are! So there will be some panel engraving to be done once I am sure the join has gone and there are no major problems with the contours which feel good to my fingers. That's for another day though.
Gondor
I have been filling and sanding the joint between the front and main bodies of the two engine pods which is why there has not been much of my reporting any progress.
This afternoon I used HATAKA Blue range black paint over the joints and a scratch to see if when sanded back there was any paint left in any recesses.
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The upper engine has yet to have the black sanded back while the lower engine has had the black sanded back. No black paint in any recesses which is good.
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And to my relief, none for the other engine as well!
Tomorrow I will start painting the ejector seats and work on the doors. Maybe use them for background music at the same time.
Gondor
:banghead: Groan...
Carefull you don't sand too hard and Break on Through...
Quote from: zenrat on March 02, 2024, 03:52:08 AMCarefull you don't sand too hard and Break on Through...
Sanding is done. My fault in the first place because I wasn't as accurate as I should have been when joining the parts together. No chance of going through the resin as it's about a millimetre thick and I wasn't too far out, certainly way less than that.
Gondor
I didn't get much done today mostly due to shopping. I did start on the scissor link for the main undercarriage leg though
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I plan to finish it tomorrow. I also added some super glue to the edges of various doors that I damaged in my enthusiasm to start this build.
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Fortunately, the damage is slight and confined to the edges. I would not like to repair any damage to the interior of these lovely doors. I also did some dry brushing of the cockpit interior, might add some cables tomorrow.
Gondor
I never could do dry brushing, it always came out splodgy. I envy you being able to do that Alastair.
I had the same problem; practice is the way to go. (yeah; easy to say, innit)
Still have a problem with overdoing it, though; 'it just needs a little more - oops, too much!'
I took a couple of pictures earlier today of the dry brushing that I had done on the cockpit. There is not much else to see today, as I have been filling chips and lost parts from the edge of doors etc, all my fault by the way so there is not much else to see other than a rather boring couple of Red Beard bombs in Hu 3 that have just been painted.
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I still can't decide if I should add any wiring or not. Certainly thinking about some kind of HUD for the pilot.
Gondor
:thumbsup:
Is the HU165 on the back of the tub the paint code number? Asking for a friend
It is the paint number that I originally was going to paint the interior. I used Colourcoats M16 RN Dark Admiralty Grey. The undercarriage is in Colourcoats M23 RN Light Admiralty Grey. The bomb bay is white.
Gondor
Still working on this despite the lack of posts on the progress. Way too much of real life getting in the way as well as waiting on some paint to arrive for the chrome of the pistons in the undercarriage.
What I have been doing is repairing problems of my own making. Lost panel lines on the engine pods when sanding down the join in the parts there and the tips of the canards which I broke in my eagerness to free the parts from their supports.
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The repair methodology is the make the broken surface flat, then attach some plastic card that is bigger than required with superglue. I then, for the leading tip, filed along the leading edge to produce a nice flat line, followed by the inboard edge and then finally shaping the profile of the replacement tip. A similar method will be used on the trailing edge tip as well.
Just realised that the canards look a bit like the fin of the F-111 :unsure:
Gondor
A small update. Been suffering from a lack of mojo, or I started too quickly, one or both of them.
I recently received some paint, nothing unusual in that you may think. This was chrome metal paint though, Ideal for pistons in undercarriage legs and door jacks etc.
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Not exactly designed with aircraft in mind, but paint is paint, right? :unsure:
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So I have just tried out the plain Chrome Metal on the undercarriage.
Before
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After
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I had originally used Humbrol Polished Steel but was not happy with the result. I may dig out something from "The box of DOOM" and try the same paint on different backgrounds such as Matt and Gloss Black to see the results.
I also have fixed the tips of the canards, just need to tidy up a couple of chips on the trailing edges.
Gondor
That paint set looks interesting. :thumbsup:
The chrome looks a bit like what i got with the Molotow chrome applied with a paintbrush. Both are "alcohol-based" paint so it doesn't surprise me... Might have to give that set a go, depending on prices compared to Molotow chrome because that's the paint i'm interested in.
The company is Spanish, so location and postage may be something you have to take into account. The residue on the palette looks very shiny, probably due to a smooth surface, which is something for me to take care of in future.
Gondor
Quote from: DogfighterZen on March 17, 2024, 06:20:26 AMThat paint set looks interesting. :thumbsup:
The chrome looks a bit like what i got with the Molotow chrome applied with a paintbrush. Both are "alcohol-based" paint so it doesn't surprise me... Might have to give that set a go, depending on prices compared to Molotow chrome because that's the paint i'm interested in.
Rui I brought some GreenStuff putty online which came from Spain..right from GreenStuff themselves..postage was only like $12 NZ which is bloody good considering I've experienced prices much higher than that just to get a parcel from Auckland to my place which is like 160kms :o
Quote from: Wardukw on March 17, 2024, 10:17:43 AMQuote from: DogfighterZen on March 17, 2024, 06:20:26 AMThat paint set looks interesting. :thumbsup:
The chrome looks a bit like what i got with the Molotow chrome applied with a paintbrush. Both are "alcohol-based" paint so it doesn't surprise me... Might have to give that set a go, depending on prices compared to Molotow chrome because that's the paint i'm interested in.
Rui I brought some GreenStuff putty online which came from Spain..right from GreenStuff themselves..postage was only like $12 NZ which is bloody good considering I've experienced prices much higher than that just to get a parcel from Auckland to my place which is like 160kms :o
That is no problem at all... in fact, it's a very good thing because their stuff is widely available in Portugal at almost the same price it's selling in Spain. I normally buy a lot of stuff from Poland so, shipping will be cheaper for sure. Heck, most Spanish stores have free shipping for orders over 30 or 40€ max for Portugal so i may even get something else for the free shipping. :thumbsup:
I have now completed the repair work to the canards!
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Easy to tell which bits I broke. I was too eager to get working on the kit that I was careless when separating the parts from the supports. If anyone reading this is thinking of buying one, go ahead, just take care removing the supports, which is good advice for any 3D print items.
The trailing edges were also repaired due to some small chipping along the edge. I simply used superglue and a file a few days later to make everything smooth.
This thread will slow down a bit as I have started to paint the ejector seats. Lots of different colours next to each other so each has to dry thoroughly before the next is added, etc, etc, etc.
Gondor
Quote from: Wardukw on March 17, 2024, 10:17:43 AMQuote from: DogfighterZen on March 17, 2024, 06:20:26 AMThat paint set looks interesting. :thumbsup:
The chrome looks a bit like what i got with the Molotow chrome applied with a paintbrush. Both are "alcohol-based" paint so it doesn't surprise me... Might have to give that set a go, depending on prices compared to Molotow chrome because that's the paint i'm interested in.
Rui I brought some GreenStuff putty online which came from Spain..right from GreenStuff themselves..postage was only like $12 NZ which is bloody good considering I've experienced prices much higher than that just to get a parcel from Auckland to my place which is like 160kms :o
Phill, the Green Stuff World stuff is also available through Mighty Ape... HTH.
Rick mate getting mine was Spain was the way to go as the piss ant little amounts you get from mighty ape is a rip off ..the ones they sell are only 100mm long ..i think 2 lengths.
I got a 36in roll from Spain and when ya did the math it was a hell of a lot cheaper ,,also when i brought mine might ape didnt have any ,,it was ,,well still kinda is the time when pretty much eveything was out of stock here .
When mine turned up mighty ape still didnt have any in stock .
Im trying to remember but i think i payed like $21 NZ for the roll ...it was pretty damn cheap i can tell ya .
Quote from: Wardukw on March 17, 2024, 11:45:30 PMRick mate getting mine was Spain was the way to go as the piss ant little amounts you get from mighty ape is a rip off ..the ones they sell are only 100mm long ..i think 2 lengths.
I got a 36in roll from Spain and when ya did the math it was a hell of a lot cheaper ,,also when i brought mine might ape didnt have any ,,it was ,,well still kinda is the time when pretty much eveything was out of stock here .
When mine turned up mighty ape still didnt have any in stock .
Im trying to remember but i think i payed like $21 NZ for the roll ...it was pretty damn cheap i can tell ya .
Yeah, economies of scale are great for things like that.
I have a similar quantity I inherited when a friend died - I'm still not sure when/if I'll use it all. But if I don't have it, I can't use it, now can I? ;)
Also, check out the sandbags they have for Shermans and the like. Interesting.
Confucius says ..If you want and don't have then you can't use..I'd you have and don't use then a time will come when you will and if your given something you don't want then there will definitely be a time when you will need it :thumbsup: ;D
Quote from: Wardukw on March 20, 2024, 01:11:14 AMConfucius says ..If you want and don't have then you can't use..I'd you have and don't use then a time will come when you will and if your given something you don't want then there will definitely be a time when you will need it :thumbsup: ;D
I concur with the Learned Philosopher! :thumbsup:
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Assuming the semicircular pattern/structure I see on the surface is from the print process - how evident du you think these are in reality? Will they require sanding/filling? As we all know, what's visible on a photo may differ wildly from what's visible in reality..
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Assuming the semicircular pattern/structure I see on the surface is from the print process - how evident du you think these are in reality? Will they require sanding/filling? As we all know, what's visible on a photo may differ wildly from what's visible in reality..
The good old Mk.1 fingertip could not find those. I will give them a shot of primer tonight if the weather is decent to find out. As you say, it's probably a trick of the light as although I have seen similar in places, the print layer hardly, if ever have shown up under paint so far.
Gondor
I'd give them a few coats of primer and then a good sanding. May not feel it but the gradation is there.
I was getting a bit bogged down with the kit, trying to paint things that didn't need painting quite so soon. So I decided to bite the proverbial bullet and stick a few bits together rather than try to add pipes and wires to tart up the kit.
First up, the main undercarriage bay.
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A bit of a pain to get glue to the rear of the bay as the bottle of glue would not fit into the fuselage. I ended up dribbling it in instead.
Next was the cockpit.
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OK, it's the underside of it but it is in place.
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Unfortunately, when I fitted the nose undercarriage bay I fitted it slightly too far forward :banghead: Nothing a bit of paint won't hide :rolleyes:
Next was the bomb bay
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This took a bit of thinking with regards to the glue, fortunately, the roof of the bomb bay is flush with the sides of the cutout so glue was run just inside all the edges and the bomb bay carefully manoeuvred into the fuselage. I did find that the surface of the main undercarriage bay where the supports had been, could probably have done with being made smooth before fitting, just to help when fitting the bomb bay.
Finally, I tried fitting the main fuselage parts together only to find this
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This ended up not being as big a problem as it looked. A good going over the top of the plug at the front of the bomb bay with a "Dog File" soon sorted the problem into a very minor problem at the bottom of the fuselage. Pictures later, once I have glued the parts into place.
And for the curious as to what a "Dog File" is, it's a file that's ruff :rolleyes:
Gondor
Al amongst my pile of files I've got a few known as "basstard" files...these will remove skin very quickly if your not careful ...I use em mostly for shaping plastic body filler on cars or MDF for ICE installs.
* For the correct name remove one S 😄😄
Quote from: Wardukw on March 26, 2024, 01:44:37 AMAl amongst my pile of files I've got a few known as "basstard" files...these will remove skin very quickly if your not careful ...I use em mostly for shaping plastic body filler on cars or MDF for ICE installs.
* For the correct name remove one S 😄😄
And you'll find they are still sold with the correct name to this day :thumbsup: Apparently the name goes back to the way the teeth resemble the markings on some medieval nobles coat of arms ? :unsure: That's what one of our metalwork masters told us at school when we all started giggling. :wacko:
Weird what the memory retains and digs up every now and then :angel:
Stuff that firmly implanted from all the years while what I had for breakfast is immediately gone!
Quote from: NARSES2 on March 26, 2024, 07:31:03 AMQuote from: Wardukw on March 26, 2024, 01:44:37 AMAl amongst my pile of files I've got a few known as "basstard" files...these will remove skin very quickly if your not careful ...I use em mostly for shaping plastic body filler on cars or MDF for ICE installs.
* For the correct name remove one S 😄😄
And you'll find they are still sold with the correct name to this day :thumbsup: Apparently the name goes back to the way the teeth resemble the markings on some medieval nobles coat of arms ? :unsure: That's what one of our metalwork masters told us at school when we all started giggling. :wacko:
Weird what the memory retains and digs up every now and then :angel:
Wasn't the dude who this file was named after called the Basstard ?
I've heard this before but I ain't sure anymore ..twas a very long time ago :o ;D
As files go the ones I have go from safe to down right dangerous 😳
The rasp files are razor sharp and I use them for BOG and wood and I absolutely love my curve files ..not cheap tho but absolutely perfect for filing a curved surface..as long as you have the handle that is .
These files are also known as Flexible .Pansers and Panzer files ..strange that :wacko: ;D
I think you lot missed the point.
File - Rough - Dog
Gondor
The most likely explanation is that the ba$tard file is so-called because it is an intermediate cut
between rough and fine files. Use of the term in print goes back to at least the late 17th century.
The progression of work in a manual from 1693 being rough(coarse)->ba$tard->fine->smooth.
So I have found that I have been a bit impatient since I started glueing the major parts together. First I found a step between the forward and central parts of the fuselage
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This at least was found during dry fitting the parts together. However, what I didn't notice and have only just realised, is that the cockpit may be slightly rotated inside the fuselage.
What I have done and have now fixed, was to glue the fuselage parts together with a twist which accentuated the look of the cockpit. I carefully cut the joint between the two parts and carefully applied pressure to break the joint between the two parts. Thankfully there was not much damage.
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The parts that broke off were removed from where they had stayed and have now been reunited with the rest of the parts they had come from. I have performed several dry fittings and fetteled quite a bit to make sure that the twist can't happen again. In my defence, I was trying to make sure that the step at the top of the fuselage was gone and never thought of the fuselage sides :banghead:
A two-part epoxy has been purchased and will be employed tomorrow to join the parts together again, and there will be enough time before it sets to ensure that every surface is as best placed as it can be.
Gondor
Must admit I'm a fan of two part epoxy for jobs like this
Quote from: Gondor on March 26, 2024, 12:16:44 PMI think you lot missed the point.
File - Rough - Dog
Gondor
No, no - we got it.
Now we need to return it... :banghead:
I like it, very nice step by step.
I have seen this kit advertised and just found your build so now I am all caught up and waiting to see what happens next.
Where is the popcorn emoji?
Quote from: Rick Lowe on March 29, 2024, 02:50:56 PMQuote from: Gondor on March 26, 2024, 12:16:44 PMI think you lot missed the point.
File - Rough - Dog
Gondor
No, no - we got it.
Now we need to return it... :banghead:
Sorry, no refunds or returns accepted ;D
Gondor
So I managed to get around to glueing the forward and central fuselage parts together. Although I have used a fast-drying two-part epoxy glue I am taking my time over this as I do not want it to go wrong. I got it wrong once, I don't want to do that a second time.
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Looking at the above picture I am having to think about how it's going to be transported. I may need to put it in it's own box. I will start sanding the joint smooth tomorrow, which will have given the glue a good twenty-four hours to fully cure. In the meantime, I should get on and get some painting done.
Gondor
PSR is underway on the forward fuselage joint
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Obviously the joint needs some more filler. I am using the same epoxy that I used for the joint as filler because it will not only help hold the parts together, it sanded nicely and has a reasonable finish as well.
Gondor
While the glue is curing, I tend to give such things excessive amounts of time to do so after a similar fuselage joint came loose, time to get on with other things such as painting the ejector seats.
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Lovely little things. I had previously painted the straps in Blue, I wish I could remember which one as I had missed a bit and also got a little careless painting the cushions and ended up with some green on the straps :banghead:
Oh well, still lots to do. I will probably drill and file out the crotch eject leaver, now that and the top eject leaver are going to be fun painting as yellow/black striped items.
Gondor
Coming along nicely. For the ejector handles I usually paint the full yellow and once dry go back with the black and dab where I want the stripes and finally finish painting them around the full handle. Never a perfect job but life is too short to wrap them with thin tape.
Quote from: philp on March 31, 2024, 11:46:43 AMComing along nicely. For the ejector handles I usually paint the full yellow and once dry go back with the black and dab where I want the stripes and finally finish painting them around the full handle. Never a perfect job but life is too short to wrap them with thin tape.
A good solution I have discovered is to use two lines of thread, one yellow and another black. Coat them in PVA glue and twist until they assume the correct amount of spiral and allow to dry. Saves painting. Then attach to the seats in the correct positions.
Quote from: rickshaw on April 01, 2024, 07:21:54 PMQuote from: philp on March 31, 2024, 11:46:43 AMComing along nicely. For the ejector handles I usually paint the full yellow and once dry go back with the black and dab where I want the stripes and finally finish painting them around the full handle. Never a perfect job but life is too short to wrap them with thin tape.
A good solution I have discovered is to use two lines of thread, one yellow and another black. Coat them in PVA glue and twist until they assume the correct amount of spiral and allow to dry. Saves painting. Then attach to the seats in the correct positions.
That's genius!
Thread or wire.
I was going to suggest using a fine black felt pen, but some are not happy going over paint, and even when they are, they tend to fade badly. :banghead:
Quote from: Rick Lowe on April 01, 2024, 09:17:59 PMThread or wire.
I was going to suggest using a fine black felt pen, but some are not happy going over paint, and even when they are, they tend to fade badly. :banghead:
I have a fine enough paintbrush to give stripes a go with paint.
The build is still moving forwards, admittedly slowly as I am having to do a fair amount of PSR to satisfy myself. So while the filler I am using is cuering I did a little work on the seats.
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And the picture shows that when I touched up the seat belts I missed where some of the green found its way onto one of them :banghead:
The difference is that I drilled and filed open the seat pan ejector handle. The main part of the seat will get painted tomorrow as well as hopefully moving onto glueing more parts to the fuselage.
Gondor
:thumbsup:
So some of what I have been doing this weekend is very visible. Fore handles! Yellow ones.
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Then splash a bit of black around a bit and you get this....
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It was only when I was painting the left side of the sets I remembered something.
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That little black lump above the blue belt is a handle too. So that will need opened up and painted with yellow stripes.
I will be adding black stripes to the overhead and seat-pan handles, but later, not today. The rest of the time has been spent fixing seams and adding the wings. Not finished with the seams so not showing any pictures of it yet. You're going to have to put up with just the pictures of the seats, which need lots of touching up :banghead:
Gondor
There's always that "Something you missed"... don't ask, etc :banghead: (C) & TM zenrat Industries...
An update!
Been a while but that didn't mean there was no work on the build. I can say that it's big and pointy. This of a 1/32 F-104 with delta wings and a squarer fuselage and for size you would not be far off. I will take pictures later to show its relative size if I can find a large flat space big enough :-\
First paint has been applied directly to the model. Possibly a bad move but we shall see how it goes. I am using Hataka Blue Line paint. Light Aircraft Grey B217, Dark Sea Grey B 144 and Dark Green B143. The Hataka Blue Line paint is for brushes so that is what I am using, and because it is an acrylic paint I can put several coats on in fairly quick succession.
So a picture for everyone to squint at.
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Just the one picture at the moment as I wanted to show that there was progress and to get everything in the one picture at the same time.
Gondor
Progress is progress :thumbsup:
I came to the conclusion that trying to paint the undercarriage bay doors while holding them was a bit of a mugs game. All of their external surface were going to be Light Aircraft Grey so why not glue them into place? So I did!
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Also means I can paint the inside of each door where necessary as well.
Being on a roll I decided to have a go at the handles on the sides of the ejector seats.
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Result, though not without casualties
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My 0.4mm drill bit broke. So that's a pack of ten replacements ordered as spares.
So far so good :thumbsup:
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I spoke too soon. That's the top of the handle go somewhere, no idea if the carpet monster got it or the workbench.
No problem, make a new part.
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Those are 1mm divisions on the cutting mat, the numbers are for each centimetre so the part is not very large.
And in place!
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It needs a little fetteling to get it right but as this will be the pilot's chair and that side is up against the cockpit side it should be ok when finished.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on April 14, 2024, 10:40:11 AMMy 0.4mm drill bit broke. So that's a pack of ten replacements ordered as spares.
So far so good :thumbsup:
Gondor
Where do you order your drill bits from Alastair ?
Mount the doors on a cocktail stick or them swirly sticks from Wetherspoons with blue tack. Prime one side, wait and do t'other. Same with your actual paint.
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 15, 2024, 05:53:35 AMQuote from: Gondor on April 14, 2024, 10:40:11 AMMy 0.4mm drill bit broke. So that's a pack of ten replacements ordered as spares.
So far so good :thumbsup:
Gondor
Where do you order your drill bits from Alastair ?
This was the original drill set that I ordered
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N7B9IPJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hope that helps.
Gondor
Quote from: The Wooksta! on April 15, 2024, 07:13:02 AMMount the doors on a cocktail stick or them swirly sticks from Wetherspoons with blue tack. Prime one side, wait and do t'other. Same with your actual paint.
That didn't work for me with the doors Lee which is partly why I have glued the doors in place, they are also not going to get in the way, apart from the weapon bay so that's not glued in place.
I have used something similar to your suggestion for the canards though
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Only one coat of paint so far but where I have applied several more the surface is looking good.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on April 15, 2024, 09:15:49 AMQuote from: NARSES2 on April 15, 2024, 05:53:35 AMQuote from: Gondor on April 14, 2024, 10:40:11 AMMy 0.4mm drill bit broke. So that's a pack of ten replacements ordered as spares.
So far so good :thumbsup:
Gondor
Where do you order your drill bits from Alastair ?
This was the original drill set that I ordered
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N7B9IPJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hope that helps.
Gondor
It does indeed, thankyou :thumbsup:
So a little update
Eyes Left!
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Eyes Right!
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Eyes Front!
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Eyes Rear! Hang on, that's not right. About Turn!
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And a couple of size comparison shots. First a TSR.2
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And with a late WWII fighter
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The paint I am using is HATAKA Blue for the hairy stick. The colours are Dk Green B143, DK Sea Grey B144 and Lt Aircraft Grey B217 although the Dk Sea Grey has yet to be applied and only one coat of the Green has been added. That was mainly just to flesh out where the paint was to go with my interpretation of the camouflage given in the instructions. Still loads to do, I hope to get the seats almost finished today so hopefully they will be going into the tub tomorrow. That has just reminded me that I better do some work on the canopy :banghead:
Gondor
This is great! :wub:
Looking good!
Quote from: Accidental Loggie on April 20, 2024, 01:01:37 PMLooking good!
Definitely!
Whew, she's a Big Girl, isn't she?
3X longer than a Tempest, but with the same wingspan...
Looking good so far.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on April 20, 2024, 01:24:51 PMWhew, she's a Big Girl, isn't she?
3X longer than a Tempest, but with the same wingspan...
Possibly narrower :unsure:
Looking good Alistair :thumbsup:
I'm about to get tyred
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I had a thought originally about painting one side of each tyre and then the other when that was dry. But how to hold each when I was painting them? So I came up with what you see above. Unfortunately, I only had the one piece of tubing that could hold a main wheel, the second one will have to wait until tomorrow. All the surfaces other than the pliers have Gator Grip applied to their surfaces to hold the tyres in place.
I'm hoping this does the trick :-\
Gondor
Dipping in and out of here today. Been doing lots of little bits of painting on the seats. The only problem is that I only have two decent 10/0 paint brushes at the moment and they are taking longer to dry than the paint! :banghead:
At least there is not much more to do paint-wise to the seats, buckles and stripes, then a go with the Scottish Paint, otherwise known as the Black Wash!* ;D
Talking about dipping, the canopy had a dunk in some Kleer
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That's it sitting drying on some kitchen paper on the kitchen windowsill. I am thinking that I should get a replacement for my bottle of Kleer as it's getting rather long in the tooth and I am getting dubious about its abilities. Suggestions are most welcome.
Gondor
* Black Wash joke was stolen from a thread on Britmodeller
I use a Pledge product, but don't recall which.
A few more pictures today.
First up is the Navigators seat
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And the Pilots seat
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I am calling them done as time is a bit tight to do anything else really.
Both the side handle and the crotch handle were solid so I have had fun and games keeping them mostly intact while opening them up, and I deliberately took some of the pictures so you could see the background through the side handles.
Quite chuffed with them though they could have been better if I had more time. I have Alistairs 1/72 Buccaneer seats for another build so I look forward to what I can do with them.
And here is another comparison shot for people
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Gondor
'Black Wash' - that's not bad, I must remember it.
Seats came out well. :thumbsup:
Could you not slide the main tyre down the tube a bit and put the other one on as well?
If the tube is too large, what about a bit of rolled paper? That would be able to squeeze into the tyre hole and expand to keep it in place.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on April 22, 2024, 12:10:21 PM'Black Wash' - that's not bad, I must remember it.
Seats came out well. :thumbsup:
Could you not slide the main tyre down the tube a bit and put the other one on as well?
If the tube is too large, what about a bit of rolled paper? That would be able to squeeze into the tyre hole and expand to keep it in place.
I didn't think about some rolled-up paper which is why I didn't use it :banghead: :banghead:
Only one more of that size to do and any touch-ups so its not going to be a problem. Now if these were tyres for a B-52.......
Gondor
Ah well... next time. ;)
This evenings update
This morning the seats went inside, two-part Epoxy was used to be on the safe side, and the same adhesive was used to fix the canopy in place. The intent was to use the longer drying time to enable adjustment of the canopy placement if required.
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Leaving the glue to cure, I finished painting the tyres and fitted then later painted, the scissor link for the main undercarriage that was missing from my early production kit.
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It's not perfect, but over 90% of it will be hidden and most people will not be looking at it anyway.
Next up has been the masking of the windows followed by adding filler to the joint between the canopy and the fuselage.
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And that's where I am at the moment. I am leaving the filler to fully cure overnight and in the morning some judicious sanding and filing will take place.
Gondor
Nice to see that they have made an overlap to the canopy, and the joining/filling/sanding areas are well off the actual clear bits. :thumbsup:
Exactly my thoughts. The design of this kit is very well thought out. It allows for a very nice cockpit to be included which is something I have not seen from other 3D-printed kits I have bought.
Gondor
An advantage of it being produced by a modeller, for modellers.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on April 23, 2024, 12:25:48 PMAn advantage of it being produced by a modeller, for modellers.
Not really. The others I have were made by modellers. It's all in how you look at what you want to do and how you work out how something breaks down to achieve that end. Also in how much work and effort you are prepared to put into the design.
Gondor
Quote from: Gondor on April 23, 2024, 01:00:57 PMQuote from: Rick Lowe on April 23, 2024, 12:25:48 PMAn advantage of it being produced by a modeller, for modellers.
Not really. The others I have were made by modellers. It's all in how you look at what you want to do and how you work out how something breaks down to achieve that end. Also in how much work and effort you are prepared to put into the design.
Gondor
Ali's got years of experience as an engineet and then producing kits and conversions in resin before trying a 3D kit. He's also a master at creating clear resin canopies which is a major factor too.
Talking about canopies.
Not doing any more to the canopy, there are a couple of places that need a little more work but that is essentially it!
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Touch-ups, paint-wise have started with the Dark Sea Grey, the Dark Green will be done early tomorrow and the Light Aircraft Grey soon afterwards as the engines will need to be glued in place first.
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The wheels are on the undercarriage legs now, fitting them will be fun :rolleyes:
It might be close but I believe that it will be presentable by the end of Friday in time for the Scottish Nationals.
Gondor
Funny looking canopy shape - very retro, for something of that era and that fast.
Still, they may have altered it on the Mk.2.
Quote from: Rick Lowe on April 24, 2024, 02:30:24 PMFunny looking canopy shape - very retro, for something of that era and that fast.
Still, they may have altered it on the Mk.2.
I know what you mean, but I think it actually suits the airframe. Also given the canopies some British projects had back then the pilot must have felt quite lucky having so much room to see out of. :rolleyes:
The main decals are on, only the serials to do and that will be them done. Next up is adding some paint detail to the buckets of instant sunshine and yet more touchups to the paintwork. This is mainly required on the nose area where I was an idiot and missed painting part of the radome black :banghead: :banghead:
I hope to only need to do final assembly tomorrow and then to find out if it will fit inside the boxes I use for transporting my kits.
Gondor
Quote from: NARSES2 on April 25, 2024, 01:43:14 AMQuote from: Rick Lowe on April 24, 2024, 02:30:24 PMFunny looking canopy shape - very retro, for something of that era and that fast.
Still, they may have altered it on the Mk.2.
I know what you mean, but I think it actually suits the airframe. Also given the canopies some British projects had back then the pilot must have felt quite lucky having so much room to see out of. :rolleyes:
True, specially the Sea Vixen 'coal hole'... or the Vulcan 'pit'.
I am calling it done.
A few pictures for comparison, first though is a picture of the underside after I glued the bombs inside.
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And yes the workbench is going to get a good clean in the near future, just not the immediate future.
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Wings from an Airfix Tempest Mk.V as someone somewhere was asking about the wingspan.
Nose on
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Side on
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And various other aircraft for size
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Gondor
That looks fantastic, and an absolute monster!
Marvellous, Alistair. Really, really good! :wub:
What a very long, thin aeroplane! :o
It's a great model Alastair, and would look good standing next to an 'in service' TSR2 I'm sure. In fact, it's probably doing that right now at the Perth Show I expect. ;D
That really has come out well Alastair :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
That's outstanding!
No chance of underwing ordnance with those honk'n big engine nacelles. :wacko:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 27, 2024, 04:46:35 AMWhat a very long, thin aeroplane! :o
It's a great model Alastair, and would look good standing next to an 'in service' TSR2 I'm sure. In fact, it's probably doing that right now at the Perth Show I expect. ;D
It does, and on the other side, it has a P.1121 for company.
Gondor
Magic, looking forward to the pics of the show later. :thumbsup:
Quote from: PR19_Kit on April 27, 2024, 10:14:48 AMMagic, looking forward to the pics of the show later. :thumbsup:
Had a nice chat with Alistair who designed and printed the kit as well. Quite a few questions about it as well.
Gondor