Jeff BlackOps [adding colours and "Reality" (J-18 topic) to a comparative sketch, port of one aircraft vs. starboard of another to compare] may have invented a whole class of asymmetric aircraft! Inside I am glad to focus on the twin-fuselage Zwilling part...
Below is a port Heinkel He 111Z/5m compared to a Sisko/Toff (Siskel) He 222Z/7m ; read as a whole, in the great BlackOps-way, this provide us with the weird asymmetric ToffOps He 333Z/6m...
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If you ask why such asymmetry, there are answers, don't worry. For instance: all the engines were rotating in the same direction (from the begining or because one factory among two had burnt), so the torque was huge and asymmetry provided stability...
As well without twin-fuselages: the comparison between Go 244B & Go 444 could have created a Go 344B... :) (I have already presented elsewhere the Go 243 between 242 and 244, not realising this is a whole generation process).
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From the misread 'view from above' was born a 'Real' machine...
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The He333Z code was replaced by He231, I don't know why, the ground crew even telling puzzles like "He-132 code while going away, He-231 coming back, always!". A local clown, walking on hands, denied: "No! 231 going away, 132 coming back!" with approval of an Arabic witness, standing there and hearing us. Mysteries...
While a double-plane usually requires double-power, it may have been different for a single-plane with additional-fuselage.
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Above, project HB-29T-2 was a B-29 designed to transport/spray lethal bacteria/viruses: little load but needing to be separated from the crew and technical staff. Safe efficiency...
As the B-29 fuselage was available (with useless glazed nose) in the 1944 production line, it was selected as biological hold, but a single extra-engine was enough to carry all: thus such a 5-engined completely asymmetrical result.
The most funny is the way these micro-organisms would have been efficient: making the enemy crazy!... and as simply drawing it, 60 years later, without physical contact, seems already dangerous for sanity, what a thread!
In the first "Forked Ghosts" book, that I am currently translating in English, were presented with the highest number of engines (left below):
- the Percival P.36, 6-engined Burnelli-like, from a 4-engined design
- a Martin 4-engined cargo with low wing, from a 2-engined design
Now it is easy to:
- present versions with less engines (center below)
- imagine asymmetric 3-engined versions, for fun (right below)...
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Another way towards asymmetric twin-boomers is twin-booming asymmetric aircraft, I did it with airplanes (Bv141, Ca.381) but this had yet to be done with flying boats... So here below, the asymmetric Blohm und Voss P.111 becomes the asymmetric twin-boom P.111B ^_^
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More solid, seriously... ;)
Coming from a trip to Austria, in a Canadair Regional Jet, I wanted to draw such a T-tail jet, but with 2 tails and dated 1939-45, of course, so aboard I smiled and drew the asymmetric P-38TXF (T-tail + extra fin)...
On computer at home, to draw it more properly, this has become a mix of a P-38JR-3 (for starboard) and a P-38DF (for port)...
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Mixing a half P-61 Black Widow with a half GP-61 Black Glider made the P-61S Black Single (or Light Widow):
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No, seriously: a night fighter needed a free radar nose, all right, and maybe a rear post, so this required a pod for the crew, not the classical fuselage with nose engine/rear tail of a P-51/P-47, all right. And the twin-boom layout was solid, perfect for that, maybe better than the Bv 141 layout. But why 2 engines? No need!
[I consider seriously building this P-61S, in 2007 or 2008... I have a 1/72 Airfix kit available]
I think I should mention here that, up to now, I have posted 62 asymmetric drawings in the topic
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=4626 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=4626) and 27 in the topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=5092 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=5092) . With the 9 in this topic, that makes 98 new ones added to my Forked Ghosts collection, and I just have to add 2 to get 100, so here they are: Me 322Z as average 321Z + 323Z:
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Edit Jun 23rd: I have posted 13 more asymmetric inventions at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10863 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10863)
Edit July 22nd: and more modern: 10 asymmetric double-deltas at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=8523 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=8523)
Edit August 27th: and 6 asymmetric derivatives at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=11771 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=11771)
All of you know pretty well the Martin B-26 Marauder, but the Martin B-33 Super-Marauder is far less known. I have asked Google and two discrepant pictures were got from the Wikipedia encyclopaedia: 2-engines (XB-33) or 4-engines (XB-33A). And the more surprising was the text saying "the XB-33 was a twin-tailed..."
Hey, what a mess!
- 2 OR 4 engines (1 OR 2 per wing)?
- Twin-tail OR twin-fin!?!
Relax: I have the solution, as the XB-33Z:
- 1 engine per wing AND 2 engines per wing
- Twin-tails AND twin-fins
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The mystery is "solved"... :wacko: :D
Let us discard seriousness: I am a what-ifer, yes or no?
So, what-if the XB-33 was turned into the glider GB-33, and the 4-engined XB-33A into the 6-engined XB-33B? From this came the weird B-33Z, immediately mass-produced 1944... But why so many engines as 2 were enough for the XB-33? That leaded to the 2-engined B-33Z-2, with asymmetry still as there was no fuel line for an engine in the short port wing...
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As a further demonstration: look how sad would have looked the situation without asymmetry: GB-33Z(s) glider(s) tugged by a TB-33Z, just like a poor US copy of a He 111Z tugging Go 242s... :( No, US engineers were able to do better, more inventing, more challenging, thus the asymmetric way explained above... :blink: :wacko:
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As well, comparing side by side a C-47 Dakota and a CG-17 glider-derivative is more funny if you imagine this is an asymmetric twin-plane (C-47CG-17). A twin C-47Z and a twin CG-17 are fun too, but without asymmetry, this is rather sad...
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Of course, in the sad funless Reality, the basic C-47CG-17 would have been simplified: no need of so many tailplanes and landing gears... :( even if this C-47G may have been kept asymmetric... :)
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QuoteMe 322Z as average 321Z + 323Z:
- Hey you stupid what-ifer, the Me 321Z and 323Z have never existed, how to join them?! :blink: :wacko:
- Uh... we could join a Me 321 and a Me 323...:
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- That cannot work either!
- So the Nazi would loose war :)
- Well, yes. You stupid but not a bad guy.
Scenario 1 for the Packet: what-if we mix the final twin-engined cargo Fairchild F-78 (XC-82, top) with the former glider E-78 (CG-82, bottom)? We get the asymmetric single-engined G-78 (YC-82, right)...
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Scenario 2: the rear loading door was the main feature of the Packet, requiring twin-tail-booms; the second feature was the very maximum room for the load, thus:
- vertical retraction of the front gear in the nose
- cockpit somewhere above
- main landing gears laterally from a W-wing
- single engine somewhere, for instance in front of a boom...
The genius asymmetric G-78 (Great-78) was born, and to fool the spies, a more classical twin-engined was designed in 2-minutes (F-78 meaning Fake-78) and the short tail-boom manufacture was 'justified' by a fake glider E-78 (Economic F-78)...
(I direct to this topic in my Web site for asymmetric aircraft http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Asymm_addition.htm (http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Asymm_addition.htm) , so...)
In my gallery of what-if very asymmetric models (not twin-tail, at least at first), I would like to gather:
- the Grumman-Fairey/Glenn-Tophe Gyrodyneye E-2R
from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=7569 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=7569)
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- the Consolidated/Tophe PBY-33 Singalina from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10467 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10467)
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- the Blohm-und-Voss/Tophe Bv 141F-4 from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=8622 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=8622)
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- the Westalnd/Tophe SingleWind from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=6128 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=6128)
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- and I may add here the Martin/Tophe Maringle PBM-11 single-engined single float Mariner (secret copy of the Singalina):
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_pbm_asym.jpg&hash=6d3a4f22ab645e327bc4d9b1c64de428db5e9bed) thanks to http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html)
and as this is the twin-tail forum: the Twin-Maringle PBM-22:
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If we compare a Spitfire and a Hurricane, close to one another, side by side, that would look like an asymmetric Zwilling: HurriSpit Mk5...
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Maybe this is the source of the model at MartinH's http://groups.msn.com/TheWhatifandoddballm...to&PhotoID=2026 (http://groups.msn.com/TheWhatifandoddballmodelpage/scotsnationals2006.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2026)
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With a truncated rear, starboard (Hurricane?) side. I am not sure at all, maybe this is just a Twin-Spitfire... Wonderful anyway.
As a model ( http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10851 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10851) ), I truncated the F5U-1 into the asymmetric F5U-5 (rather than truncating it into the twin-lifting-boom F5U-6), while it could have been done on paper, comparing a half F5U-1 and a half glider F5U-0, meeting almost this topic's subject BUT this is single tail... So let us compare, side by side a F5U-0 and a F5U-1 to get a twin-tail asymmetric F5U-01 ! Very surprisingly, the twin fins are supported by the starboard tail while the port tail has no fin...
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Quoteasymmetric PBY-333 Catilina: a single float with an engine weight above to lean on this side, and a very short (and light) wing on the other side...:
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Well asymmetry (in the topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10467 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10467) ) is fun, but I need twin-booms too... So let us try it again:The parasol wing of the PBY Catalina was rather fragile, with just a pylon central link to the hull, and this would have been consolidated by booms linking the wing/engines and the tail, like on the Sikorsky S-38/39/40 (see http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/images...sky_s38_300.jpg (http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/images/sikorsky_s38_300.jpg) ). This would have given the PBY-5TB (triplex-boom) Solidalina. Then, comparing PBY-5 and PBY-5TB, side by side, we get the asymmetric PBY-5tB Enoughalina: twin-boom... with a big port twin-sister and a tiny starboard twin-sister.
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QuoteI truncated the F5U-1 into the asymmetric F5U-5
What if the asymmetric single-tail F5U-5 of early 1945 was turned into the asymmetric twin-tail F5U-55 of late 1945?
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(from the topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10851 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10851) )
Let us compare the Douglas C-47 :) & Douglas C-54 :) ... into a Doudouglas C-547 twin-fuselage asymmetric freak... :blink: :wacko:
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from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...80&#entry158679 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=4886&st=80&#entry158679) :
Quotefrom 5-engined Ju 452Z V0 to 3-engined Ju 452Z V1...
(thanks to the same source http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://...nkers/ju252.htm (http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju252.htm) )
Well, port V0 + starboard V1 makes an asymmetric Zwilling...
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Of course, the Ju 452Z V2 was not asymmetric enough, and the final V3 went deep further :blink: :wacko: :
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QuoteAs well, comparing side by side a C-47 Dakota and a CG-17 glider-derivative is more funny if you imagine this is an asymmetric twin-plane (C-47CG-17).
And a GP-38 with a P-38 can make a single-engine P-38GP...
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I know this isn't asymmetric, but I like the idea of a P-38 with only one engine and a pusher prop behind the cockpit....kinda like a W.W. II version of a DH-2.
:rolleyes:
Brian da Basher
Don't feel sorry :( :) : the single-propeller version (P-74S) of my avatar (P-74C) is matching your dream and giving me a "reason" to imagine a further asymmetric mix : P-38S = port P-38, central P-74S, starboard GP-38 ! :blink: :wacko:
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Every delirium is much welcome ^_^ (as you nicely allow me not to build in plastic every one... ;) )
How could I have missed noticing your avatar is a single-engined, pusher P-38? :dum:
Oh yeah, lack of sleep due to job stress, of course.
Love your ideas Tophe! Keep 'em coming!
Brian da Basher
P.S. It seems you really like P-38s. Have you heard of the famous French author who flew them during the war?
Yes, I know that Antoine de Saint-Exupery, famous French author, died on a Lightning. He was born 10miles from my home and his first flight occured 5 miles from my home. Among my non-what-if P-38s (at different scales), the blue one is a French reco F-5 possibly piloted by him:
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I'm a huge fan of "The Little Prince" and of your absolutely gorgeous Lightnings! Thanks for posting that pic. You're one incredibly talented modeller, Tophe!
It is only with the heart that one can see rightly...
Brian da Basher
Quote- the Grumman-Fairey/Glenn-Tophe Gyrodyneye E-2R
from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=7569 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=7569)
Thanks to Glenn's topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=11996 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=11996) and to http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/fai...rotodyne-r.html (http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/fairey_rotodyne-r.html) I add my vision of a jet-less-rotor Rotodyne based on the Gyrodyne: with torque and asymmetry to counter-balance...
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and twin-fin is almost twin-tail...
Further in the same asymmetric direction: do you know the forefather of the asymmetric Fairey Gyrodyne? The answer is the twin-engine Blohm und Voss Bv 141H, helicopter version of the famous plane - this factory drawing stands as a "proof"...:
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Thanks to Jennings, I have included in the Modified Airliners Photographs web-site several fake photographs of mine (done with Corel Photo-Paint):
- (Twin-B757 with) asymmetric 3-engined B757: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007632 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007632)
- Asymmetric 1-engined 737: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007658 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007658)
- Asymmetric 1-engined A330: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007639 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007639)
- EDIT: Asymmetric 5-engined A340:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00008128 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00008128)
- I have failed to reach Anthony Jackson to get the written authorisation required by the MAP procedure, otherwise I would have included also this asymmetric 6-engined A340:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_fake4.jpg&hash=0c08c75713d610ae090e4e693ef8e5cc61d171e1)
with this explanation: "Europe-USA-Asia-Europe liner, with asymmetrical thrust to counteract lateral trade winds southward..."
Edit: this 3?-engined A318, made by a Jonathan, seems also asymmetric: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007441 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007441) and the 3-engined B777 made by Darren Ang is asymmetric too: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00006720 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00006720)
You did those! I allways told you that you where better than me, and you proved me correct! :P
Now heres my humble addition to this post, 1 assimetric F-111, and 3 other variations of it.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi38.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe123%2FB777LR%2FTwin%2FTwin-untitled.jpg&hash=a20b2cf5312d4ad062fd700d404a6b68bd57916f)
The first is an assymetric twin. The second is a delta wing. Third is a recon-non sweep wing. Last is a UAV.
I like your glider A330.
QuoteI have included in the Modified Airliners Photographs web-site several fake photographs of mine (done with Corel Photo-Paint):
Additions of mine, mixing symmetric sources with few engines and symmetric fakes with extra engines:
- Asymmetric 3-engined King Air: http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007679 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007679)
- Assymetric 7-engined A380 : http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairline...php?id=00007678 (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00007678)
I could have said that the Focke-Wulf team was feeling sorry because their symmetric Fw 189A was less popular (even if twin-boom! :( ) than the asymmetric Bv 141 (not twin-boom! :angry: ), featuring a better lateral view, so they designed an asymmetric version of the Fw 189. :)
I won't say that because this is sadly true :( (is it?) and I am a what-ifer preferring dreams :wacko: ... So let me imagine that the Focke-Wulf team added to their twin-engine Fw 189A a glider (Segelflugzeug) Fw 189S, and mixing both they built the single-engine asymmetric (Asymmetrisch) Fw 189A-S or As...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_fw189gl.jpg&hash=1432ee17f7cfa13325f95dd9a93a270b1ef12f12)
(thanks to http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/fw189a1_3v.jpg (http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/fw189a1_3v.jpg) )
The Su 12 is often presented (in our West) as a copy of the Fw 189. Indeed, in parallel to the Fw 189As, there was a Su 12As (Cy 12Ac in Cyrillic)...
Which one came first? the Fw 189, because it crossed my mind before...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_Su-12Ac.jpg&hash=cd3caf75c0bd26c8112cbcd7aabc6ff4594c3a52)
(thanks to http://www.suchoj.com/bis1949/Su-12%20(RK)...-12_(RK)_02.jpg (http://www.suchoj.com/bis1949/Su-12%20(RK)/riss/Su-12_(RK)_02.jpg) )
Instead of a twin-engined Whirlwind tugging a Smoothwind glider, let us marry them together, side by side, into a twin-engined twin-tail TwinWind...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_Whirl_zk.jpg&hash=89d1897c08b21daf0fe1fa9610ea004834eac7f5)
I am sad :( : the Modified Airliner Photographs website refused my An-124 for "low quality". I present below a half size picture of it, with also a twin version (special for this twin-plane topic here). The comment I proposed was "With all turbofans rotating in the same direction, some anti-torque device was needed..." Rejected, alas :( .
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fr_N1147770.jpg&hash=77330775f8001f96cfbbd9cf236717d243236f47)
Tophe, try making the center wing section look even, and remove that V, it might allow it to enter? Blank off one cockpit? I dont think they want people to submit 50 pictures each day, by only copying and pasting in paint...
Sorry for my unperfect English... my words were misleading it seems. I explain again:
1/ I made the asymmetric 5-engined (single-fuselage) An124 from the symmetric 4-engined An124, about 800 pixels wide from the full source
2/ I posted it to the M.A.P. website
3/ It was refused for low quality (not enough pixels? they prefer 1024 wide or above)
4/ To add it here in my asymmetric double-tail what-if topic, I reduced it to 400 pixels wide, and added a very quickly made twin (bad with an awful central wing I agree, but this one was not proposed to M.A.P., just trying to link in 2 minutes my asymmetric An124 to this twin-tail forum)
5/ I wrote a reply to this topic including this little double picture
So, the fact that I could have improved the twin has no relation to the rejection that had occured before it was even considered. OK?
ohhh, you have perfect english, i just had a bad day. My school aranges 1 week visits to our perhaps future workplace. I chose flightmechanic. Of course, i had the choice of either Air Alpha in odense airport, who flyies and maintaines helicopters. Other possiblity was the air force. I chose air alpha. Then 2 weeks before going there, i am told that those who chose the air force get a flight in an F-16!!!!
I could kill myself!!!!! :dum: :dum: :dum: :dum: :dum: :dum: :dum:
Dear, don't kill yourself :( : instead, violently punish :angry: this stupid fate by drawing us a Twin-F-16 (asymmetric if possible for this topic).
Here is a first one (half FSW), you can do better...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2FAvf16_99.jpg&hash=09b56b891ab24d062a5c355943a31e2c54055f7c)
(thanks to http://www.vectorsite.net/avf16_2.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avf16_2.html) )
nono, i wont kill myself!
Hmmm, that assymetric F-16 is a the thing I'm not allowed to say, especially with a broken thumb.
As Ju 290 + Ju 290 = Ju 290Z or Ju 490 (Junkers)
As Ju 390 + Ju 390 = Ju 390Z or Ju 690 (Ted Nomura)
here below is the asymmetrical intermediate:
Ju 390 + Ju 290 = Ju 590Z or Ju 590 (Tophe):
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2FJu590z-1.jpg&hash=ca07037b4769cc85f7891cfdfbe81a381079bcf7)
(thanks to http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers.../ju390_drei.gif (http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju390_drei.gif)
and http://www.lizdas.lt/aviacija/vokietija/Lu...0_z/ju-290z.htm (http://www.lizdas.lt/aviacija/vokietija/Luftwaffwe_projects/junkers_ju_290_z/ju-290z.htm) )
Quotenono, i wont kill myself!
Hmmm, that assymetric F-16 is a the thing I'm not allowed to say, especially with a broken thumb.
Has a moderator edited that, or am i drunk? That makes no sense at all!
From http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...20&#entry194264 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=4626&st=520&#entry194264) , mixing side by side the 3-engined PP-61 and the single-engined Ps-61 gives the asymmetrical PsP-61Z...
(with a technical/user reason: 2 noses were good but 4-engined was too much drag/weight/cost)
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2FP61-3m2.jpg&hash=deda428f0d0a11508b063df5c0ce2ceb8685c8ad)
From my collection of fake Mustangs ( http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...00&#entry198814 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=4461&st=400&#entry198814) ), I may add here the joining of half a P-82R-1820 and half a P-82R-4360 into an asymmetric twin-plane.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2Fr_P-82rad_d.jpg&hash=f48892c08c6ce82fbe0db25f07105105ec6eb8f9)
A double He 111H would be the 4-engined 111HH, not the 5-engined 111Z
- A double He 111S Segelflugzeug (glider) would be the 111SS glider
- Joining them would be the asymmetric 111HS...
- (between He 111H and 111S would be the asymmetrisch 111U, and a double one would be the 111UU)...
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2Fr_He111z0_o.jpg&hash=5919475b4db6b6f84c45540b89583364200015d1)
What about a He-111 with 3 engines? 2 on outer wing sections, and 3rd on the 2nd fuselage!
A Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress has been turned into an asymmetric motor home...
on Martin H's new site http://whatifmodels.multiply.com/
I have recently added an asymmetric what-if delta Mig-29 at :
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21287.165.html
Maybe JP Vieira will add other asymmetric what-if aircraft there (not yet).
And if I have not mentioned them yet, I crated asymmetric Twin-mirages at
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,8523.0.html
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2FExtra1%2Fmirage6000M.gif&hash=87e7b002fde0984c1cf3891a5bb3bc8096f8de64)
And I posted also asymmetric what-ifers at
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,11771.0.html
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,5092.30.html
etc.
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv670%2FTophe2712%2Fr_p55b_r.jpg&hash=a8348fe8d4515c309653d456cdccea704f166fa2)
I recently stumbled across this interesting 1943 Swedish 'what-if 'asymmetric design in 'Flight' , its a bit of interest - as a high performance option..
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1943/1943%20-%202536.html
It sits as yet another 'couldabeen' Napier Sabre powered high speed bomber, along with the similarly still-born DH Super-Mosquito & its Hawker equivalent..
Too bad so few Sabres were actually built, & so many Merlins & Hercules' were thus scattered all over 'Festung Europa', due to vulnerable 'heavies' being lost..
Thanks for this link.
I knew this project, I said last month that the tail on this design was wrong, at the (temporary) end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Asymm_addition.htm
Corrected:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIsakson_corrected.jpg&hash=5a5df8f7791e4939ca0d66dc4c2199e6c6a2cb18)
Cool T, & that one with its Ikea modular looks, seems like it could morph into a bunch of multi engine options..
..like say, a twin nacelle push-pull /4 engine - with a 33% scaled up fuselage & V-tail..
Here you are...: ;D
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kristofmeunier.fr%2FIsakson_2.jpg&hash=a8465511e4d7472466a4fe31b87aad9c3627ecbe)
Except for the 33% scale up, because this is less easy from a bitmap source (not vectotial): the bigger lines are blurred, not correct, sorry. :-\