You might want to avoid Mach Poo, as their kits have absolute f*cktons.

Not cool without the turret? The TT ones look fab an my single seater with a pair of Vickers S guns is the epitome of cool.

Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 18, 2023, 07:49:48 AMYou might want to avoid Mach Poo, as their kits have absolute f*cktons.

Warning duly noted! Thanks, Lee

Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 18, 2023, 07:49:48 AMNot cool without the turret? The TT ones look fab an my single seater with a pair of Vickers S guns is the epitome of cool.

I'm liking the single-seat look! Have to agree, though, the TT versions do look great, and I'll have to have a look for your tank-buster!

Cheers,
Mark

I'll try to get some shots at the weekend.

Quote from: The Wooksta! on May 18, 2023, 09:10:17 AMI'll try to get some shots at the weekend.

   

Quote from: Wardukw on May 15, 2023, 11:19:09 AMI've always liked the Defiant because of that 4 gun turret but when you loose that turret the coolness factor goes bye-bye 
It's not a pretty plane now as a single..ok I'm not saying it looks good with the turret either 

I did a 1/72 what-if Boulton-Paul P.94 some years ago combining the awful old Airtfix Defiant with the engine of the just as awful old Airfix Hurricane.

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Quote from: Wardukw on May 15, 2023, 11:19:09 AMI've always liked the Defiant because of that 4 gun turret but when you loose that turret the coolness factor goes bye-bye 
It's not a pretty plane now as a single..ok I'm not saying it looks good with the turret either 

I did a 1/72 what-if Boulton-Paul P.94 some years ago combining the awful old Airtfix Defiant with the engine of the just as awful old Airfix Hurricane.

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That looks really excellent - two wrongs definitely do make a right! Thanks for sharing your photo

Cheers,
Mark

The line of the upper fuselage aft of the canopy makes a big difference to how a single seater Defiant works. BP's arrangement seemed to try and echo the line of the original turreted version, a bit silly when it didn't have a turret.

Mat's version looks LOADS better, and pretty plausible too   

Mats build is far better than the original one ..it looks like a figther and not something which has had its turret removed and covered over.

Great build Mat 👏 

Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 22, 2023, 11:44:03 AMThe line of the upper fuselage aft of the canopy makes a big difference to how a single seater Defiant works. BP's arrangement seemed to try and echo the line of the original turreted version, a bit silly when it didn't have a turret.

Mat's version looks LOADS better, and pretty plausible too   

Quote from: Wardukw on May 22, 2023, 01:32:40 PMMats build is far better than the original one ..it looks like a figther and not something which has had its turret removed and covered over.

Great build Mat 👏 

Definitely, it looks so much better! Mat's P.94 upper fuselage makes the whole aircraft take on a different look - its actually an elegant 'plane in that configuration. I think the Valiant's spine will evolve a bit to look more like the later P.94 design.....

Quote from: PR19_Kit on May 22, 2023, 11:44:03 AMMat's version looks LOADS better, and pretty plausible too   

Very much so

I wonder what a Defiant fighter would look like with a bubble canopy, or a car door set up like the early typhoon?

Quote from: Devilfish on May 24, 2023, 12:06:43 AMI wonder what a Defiant fighter would look like with a bubble canopy, or a car door set up like the early typhoon?

The bubble canopy single-seater looks great - Henk de Jong built a What-If Navy version with a Griffon nose, cut-down rear fuselage and dorsal strake, published in Scale Aircraft Modelling for October 2021 (Vol 43, Issue 8 ), alongside a "Fulmar-esque" two-seat Navy fighter.

Cheers,
Mark

If building ones idea of a production single seater based on the Defiant then one really needs to narrow the fuselage behind the cockpit where the turret was.  It's really quite wide there.
When fitting a Defiant turret into a Blenheim Mk1 I found I had to widen its fuselage.

Quote from: zenrat on May 24, 2023, 04:23:43 AMIf building ones idea of a production single seater based on the Defiant then one really needs to narrow the fuselage behind the cockpit where the turret was.  It's really quite wide there.
When fitting a Defiant turret into a Blenheim Mk1 I found I had to widen its fuselage.

The Defiant fuselage is quite "hippy", oddly the widest point is aft of the actual turret. It also seems to be slightly broader in cross-section at the top than at the bottom behind the wing root. Apologies for the slightly murky photos, but the shadows give lie to the shapes. I think in plan view, the fuselage sides are warped inwards around the driver's seat which adds to the effect.

I think Boulton Paul would definitely have narrowed the fuselage for the P.94 single-seater design, but for a panic fighter needing to be in production quickly using as many existing tools and jigs as possible, I don't think they would have bothered.

If you're doing a single seat Defiant in 72nd, use either the old tool Airfix one, as it doesn't flare out too much or try and find the Pegasus Target
Tug (MPM also did one).  The latter would also make for a good night fighter or short range ELINT aircraft.

Edit: somewhere I have a Pegasus one that was donated as an assembled but unpainted wreck. Must try to find it.