Quote from: seadude on June 04, 2023, 09:56:48 AM

Quote from: kerick on June 04, 2023, 08:59:31 AMThat design is very intriguing. The whole ship is very curious. What website was the picture from?
Have you tried deviantart website? It's always full of ideas.
https://www.deviantart.com/theocomm/art/Conqueror-class-Guided-Missile-Cruiser-700168090
This is a cruiser I found.

Don't remember where I found the pic. Wasn't really paying attention.
That cruiser design is nice, but I don't like the mast/tower. Looks too much like those WWII era Japanese pagoda style towers on Japanese warships.

It is pretty tall. Not the best choice of a mast system for an aircraft carrier I suppose. The cruiser hull is kind of interesting. I'm sure there are plenty of other picks.

I think I've figured out the island superstructure, folks. At least, I hope.
I thought I had lost the structures for a Freedom and Independence class LCS's long ago. Nope. I managed to find them.
So here's my options. Options #'s 1 and 2 will probably have to be raised somehow since island structures on carriers are fairly tall to be able to see around the flight deck and see the surrounding ocean around the carrier.
OPTION #1: Use part of an Independence class LCS structure for the island. Use a leftover Enclosed Sensor Mast from a San Antonio LPD-17 class amphibious ship as the main radar mast. An additional bridge structure pieces from an Arleigh Burke destroyer may be used for additional bridge levels since carriers have at least 2 bridge levels on them.
OPTION # 2: Use the angled structure from a Freedom class LCS as the starting point. Will still need to add 1-2 bridge levels somehow. Also using an Enclosed Sensor Mast as mentioned in #1 above.
OPTION #3: I think I like this one the best. I still need to refine the design a bit more as time goes on. Anyway, place the Freedom class LCS structure on top of the Independence class LCS structure.

Option 3 looks pretty good to me.

Next question I could use advice and opinions on, please.
As I said in a post further above,

Quote".......island structures on carriers are fairly tall to be able to see around the flight deck and see the surrounding ocean around the carrier. "

Which begs the question:
Should I raise my entire angled structure slightly so it's higher and my bridge approx. even with that of the original Enterprise carrier bridge?
But who knows what carrier island structures will look like in the future 10, 20, or more years from now?
They might be smaller and more compact, or something else?

If I recall correctly, the grills above the bridge on the Freedoms are the air intakes for the gas turbines.

A Freedom is one of the two stalled ship conversions I intend getting back to soon.

Quote from: Old Wombat on June 05, 2023, 11:50:14 PMIf I recall correctly, the grills above the bridge on the Freedoms are the air intakes for the gas turbines.

A Freedom is one of the two stalled ship conversions I intend getting back to soon.

Yes, I understand those are grilles in that area.
But that doesn't answer my question on if I should raise my entire structure higher to be similar in height to the original Enterprise carrier island structure or not?

I agree that option 3 is best for the overall bridge layout. I think there is room for another row of windows between the Freedom and Independence windows. You'll work it out I'm sure.

I don't think you need any more deck levels but, if you want to go up, I agree with kerick that there should be no more than one extra level.

Extra height = more surfaces that have to be "stealthed".

You could go for something based on the Royal Navy's Air Craft Carriers



Gondor

Off the wall suggestion.   Go for a retractable pilot house in the middle of the flight deck  as seen on HMS Argus (the 1918 to 1944 version)

Perhaps you could consider raiding the old Jim Shirley Productions model "Stealth Carrier" for ideas.

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1568/cvn7825sar5.jpg

Of course, if you wanted to make it REALLY stealthy, you could make it a submarine. :-)

Quote from: kerick on June 06, 2023, 09:57:58 AMI agree that option 3 is best for the overall bridge layout. I think there is room for another row of windows between the Freedom and Independence windows. You'll work it out I'm sure.

The only way I could do that would be with maybe decals. See picture below. Gold Medal Models did make some generic carrier/battleship, etc. decals long ago. But now, they are discontinued. I "might" have some windows (Indicated by red arrow) left over, but I am not sure. If I don't, then I can't use your idea.

Quote from: Old Wombat on June 06, 2023, 10:03:21 AMExtra height = more surfaces that have to be "stealthed".

Yeah, true on that.   Which would mean more frustration and work for me.

Quote from: Rheged on June 06, 2023, 10:19:46 AMOff the wall suggestion.   Go for a retractable pilot house in the middle of the flight deck  as seen on HMS Argus (the 1918 to 1944 version)

Nice idea, but I think I'll pass. If I'm not too mistaken, I think something like that was designed/proposed for the original CVA-58 United States carrier?

Quote from: Gondor on June 06, 2023, 10:11:33 AMYou could go for something based on the Royal Navy's Air Craft Carriers
Gondor

I'm not so sure the US Navy would go for 2 island structures like what the Queen Elizabeth class carriers have. The U.S. has been using a single island structure on carriers for almost a century. I doubt their mindset will ever change.

Quote from: drwells42 on June 06, 2023, 11:28:51 AMPerhaps you could consider raiding the old Jim Shirley Productions model "Stealth Carrier" for ideas.

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1568/cvn7825sar5.jpg

Of course, if you wanted to make it REALLY stealthy, you could make it a submarine. :-)

I've seen that configuration more times than I can count. But alas, there's nothing on their I can use.

Quote from: seadude on June 06, 2023, 12:17:35 PM

Quote from: Gondor on June 06, 2023, 10:11:33 AMYou could go for something based on the Royal Navy's Air Craft Carriers
Gondor

I'm not so sure the US Navy would go for 2 island structures like what the Queen Elizabeth class carriers have. The U.S. has been using a single island structure on carriers for almost a century. I doubt their mindset will ever change.

I wasn't necessarily suggesting that you go for a twin superstructure, more along the lines of the way that they are designed with large flat faces that go outwards then inwards as opposed to the slopeing upwards continously that you were showing us in your mockups.

Gondor

Quote from: seadude on June 06, 2023, 12:17:35 PMThe U.S. has been using a single island structure on carriers for almost a century. I doubt their mindset will ever change.

So had the Royal Navy until they started on the QE Class carriers.

Apart from the Argus, that is.

The Pri-fly on American carriers is the highest level where the Air Boss and his crew sit and direct all the traffic on the flight deck.
Should I go with Option 1 or Option 2 in the pictures below? Or go with something else?
Oh, and there's another pic below that shows what I hope to do for the rear of the island structure.