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Catalina ideas, inspiration and discussion

Started by RAFF-35, July 30, 2023, 06:07:48 AM

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RAFF-35

I couldn't find a page for Catalina themed ideas and inspiration. I just found this article about a company which plans to build brand new Catalinas for both civilian and military purposes.

https://www.designnews.com/industry/modernized-catalina-flying-boat-returns-skies?fbclid=IwAR1pNjTlKevfpbkLyDac_ZboGulNUr1NSEWwpN1DC2s8h1Eg5BHy5ytmcoI
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: RAFF-35 on July 30, 2023, 06:07:48 AMI couldn't find a page for Catalina themed ideas and inspiration. I just found this article about a company which plans to build brand new Catalinas for both civilian and military purposes.

https://www.designnews.com/industry/modernized-catalina-flying-boat-returns-skies?fbclid=IwAR1pNjTlKevfpbkLyDac_ZboGulNUr1NSEWwpN1DC2s8h1Eg5BHy5ytmcoI


It's a full size Whiff!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

I hope they keep the two fuselage observation blisters, it wouldn't be a 'Catalina' if it didn't.
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Regards
Kit

Old Wombat

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Cruising on the water on a takeoff run, a Consolidated PBY-5 Catalina patrol bomber can take off on land as well as water.

Actually, they got that bit wrong, it is a PBY-5 but the PBY-5 was a flying boat & not amphibious; the PBY-5A was amphibious! ;)
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kitbasher

Elements of the UK media have in the last week or so described CL-415s as 'flying boats'.  Jeez, where do they get these journos??

Rightly referred to as 'amphibious' at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66349785.

As for restarting Catalina production, well let's see - might keep the 'new' Me262/Yak-9 buyers happy, but who else?   
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: kitbasher on July 30, 2023, 09:15:23 AMAs for restarting Catalina production, well let's see - might keep the 'new' Me262/Yak-9 buyers happy, but who else?   


ME!

I LOVE Catalinas. I'd never afford one of course, but it'd be great to know that they just exist.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kitbasher

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2023, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on July 30, 2023, 09:15:23 AMAs for restarting Catalina production, well let's see - might keep the 'new' Me262/Yak-9 buyers happy, but who else?   


ME!

I LOVE Catalinas. I'd never afford one of course, but it'd be great to know that they just exist.

Dozens of ex-firefighter Cansos on display all over Canada, Kit.
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jcf

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Quote from: kitbasher on July 30, 2023, 09:15:23 AMElements of the UK media have in the last week or so described CL-415s as 'flying boats'.  Jeez, where do they get these journos??

Rightly referred to as 'amphibious' at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66349785.

As for restarting Catalina production, well let's see - might keep the 'new' Me262/Yak-9 buyers happy, but who else? 
The CL-415 is a flying boat because it has a hull rather than floats, that it's amphibious is irrelevant. Technically speaking all seaplanes, hulled flying boat or float, are amphibious because they operate on the water and in the air. Some referred to early wheeled landing gear seaplanes as tri-phibians, but it didn't catch on.
;)

The neo-Catalina idea is idiotic, there's nowhere to put 34 passengers and I don't care how powerful an engine they put on it, it'll still be slow. Extensive redesign would be needed to make it even somewhat doable, redesign that would drive a requirement for certification making all of their existing paperwork meaningless.

jcf


PR19_Kit

Quote from: jcf on July 30, 2023, 01:05:39 PMThe neo-Catalina idea is idiotic, there's nowhere to put 34 passengers and I don't care how powerful and engine
they put on it, it'll still be slow.


Yeah, but it'd still look GREAT.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

kitbasher

#9
Hate to disagree with you jcf, but the CL-415 is an amphibian according to https://aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com/sites/aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com/files/docs/canadair_infosheet_june2020_final_v2.pdf

But totally with you and Kit regarding a Catalina revival.
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RAFF-35

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2023, 06:43:49 AM
Quote from: RAFF-35 on July 30, 2023, 06:07:48 AMI couldn't find a page for Catalina themed ideas and inspiration. I just found this article about a company which plans to build brand new Catalinas for both civilian and military purposes.

https://www.designnews.com/industry/modernized-catalina-flying-boat-returns-skies?fbclid=IwAR1pNjTlKevfpbkLyDac_ZboGulNUr1NSEWwpN1DC2s8h1Eg5BHy5ytmcoI


It's a full size Whiff!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

I hope they keep the two fuselage observation blisters, it wouldn't be a 'Catalina' if it didn't.

I hope so too, very useful in the SAR role. Possibly also useful in getting special forces in and out of as well.

In the civilian role, maybe that's where the VIPs sit to eat their french fancies?
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Rheged

Quote from: RAFF-35 on July 30, 2023, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2023, 06:43:49 AM
Quote from: RAFF-35 on July 30, 2023, 06:07:48 AMI couldn't find a page for Catalina themed ideas and inspiration. I just found this article about a company which plans to build brand new Catalinas for both civilian and military purposes.

https://www.designnews.com/industry/modernized-catalina-flying-boat-returns-skies?fbclid=IwAR1pNjTlKevfpbkLyDac_ZboGulNUr1NSEWwpN1DC2s8h1Eg5BHy5ytmcoI


It's a full size Whiff!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

I hope they keep the two fuselage observation blisters, it wouldn't be a 'Catalina' if it didn't.

I hope so too, very useful in the SAR role. Possibly also useful in getting special forces in and out of as well.

In the civilian role, maybe that's where the VIPs sit to eat their french fancies?

I thought that the "French fancies" sat in the observation blister seats and looked cute, whilst their "sugar daddy"  companions observed them rather than the view outside...........................or am I just getting overly cynical in my dotage?
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RAFF-35

Quote from: jcf on July 30, 2023, 01:08:58 PMThe Catalina topic is here:
PBY, PBN, OA-10 Catalina and CANSO

Ah! I thought it was odd that a topic for the Catalina hadn't been created already  ;D
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RAFF-35

Perhaps the newly built military Catalina will look like a close relation of my OA-10C Sprite build here;

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=51888.new#new

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jcf

Quote from: kitbasher on July 30, 2023, 01:58:59 PMHate to disagree with you jcf, but the CL-415 is an amphibian according to https://aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com/sites/aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com/files/docs/canadair_infosheet_june2020_final_v2.pdf

But totally with you and Kit regarding a Catalina revival.

It's an amphibious flying boat.  Just as any aircraft equipped with amphibious floats becomes
an amphibious floatplane.

Seaplane (flying boat or float), and amphibian/amphibious are not mutually exclusive terms.