Two old school Eastern European kits and one two AModels? Wow - you must be a glutton for punishment. At least you can switch between them if you get too frustrated.

In my AModel-ing experience, the canopy is often too wide or too narrow for the fuselage, so you may have to trim or shim the fuselage until the canopy fits. The bubble style canopies are usually OK, though.

Quote from: frank2056 on August 24, 2023, 07:59:49 PMIn my AModel-ing experience, the canopy is often too wide or too narrow for the fuselage, so you may have to trim or shim the fuselage until the canopy fits. The bubble style canopies are usually OK, though.

Yes indeed, I've noticed that with the few AModels I've built too. It's a rather odd issue, as if there were two different design bureaus, one for the normal bits and one for the canopies, who didn't talk to each other.

Hm, of course it is a RUSSIAN company, isn't it...................? 

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 24, 2023, 07:23:15 PMHope this helps;

GSI Creos' Mr Hobby/Mr Color 391 = Russian/Soviet Interior Turquoise Green (Solvent-Based Acrylic Paint)

AMMO by Mig Jimenez's A.MIG-223 = Interior Turquoise Green (Acrylic Paint)

Xtracolor also do a nice shade of it 

I mix my own Soviet Cockpit Green.  Can't remember what I used for the last batch but as the real thing seems to vary a fair bit I wouldn't be too worried.

Quote from: zenrat on August 25, 2023, 06:24:04 AMI mix my own Soviet Cockpit Green.  Can't remember what I used for the last batch but as the real thing seems to vary a fair bit I wouldn't be too worried.

The real thing DOES vary a fair bit! I base that on having looked in various Soviet jets and helicopters across the world.

Depends on whether it came from Paint State Factory 37 or State Paint Factory 112, winter or summer, morning or evening....

Quote from: Nick on August 25, 2023, 06:58:27 AM

Quote from: zenrat on August 25, 2023, 06:24:04 AMI mix my own Soviet Cockpit Green.  Can't remember what I used for the last batch but as the real thing seems to vary a fair bit I wouldn't be too worried.

The real thing DOES vary a fair bit! I base that on having looked in various Soviet jets and helicopters across the world.

Depends on whether it came from Paint State Factory 37 or State Paint Factory 112, winter or summer, morning or evening....

The green they use for the wheels also varies widely.

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 25, 2023, 12:15:31 AM

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 24, 2023, 07:23:15 PMHope this helps;

GSI Creos' Mr Hobby/Mr Color 391 = Russian/Soviet Interior Turquoise Green (Solvent-Based Acrylic Paint)

AMMO by Mig Jimenez's A.MIG-223 = Interior Turquoise Green (Acrylic Paint)

Xtracolor also do a nice shade of it 

Thanks, gentlemen.
Considering my easily available options, (either mix my existing Humbrols, OR buy something Revell at the LHS) I went with looking at some colour charts and paint converters (>>THIS<< is the best converter I've found, thereby in no way saying it is the best available)  and then just splash something together. Not optimal, but - as Chris has pointed out in his own blog - I'm most likely the only person ever knowing about any discrepancy. And, as pointed out, it seems anything not factory new could have been almost any hue vaguely resembling teal, so..
That also the wheel colour varies so much is interesting. I have heard of this discussion when it comes to Russian armour camouflage green from WWII - there's simply not one correct hue, but a lot of JMN's won't back down from just their opinion. I wasn't aware that this was equally valid for aircraft, though..

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2023, 11:33:55 PM

Quote from: frank2056 on August 24, 2023, 07:59:49 PMIn my AModel-ing experience, the canopy is often too wide or too narrow for the fuselage, so you may have to trim or shim the fuselage until the canopy fits. The bubble style canopies are usually OK, though.

Yes indeed, I've noticed that with the few AModels I've built too. It's a rather odd issue, as if there were two different design bureaus, one for the normal bits and one for the canopies, who didn't talk to each other.

Hm, of course it is a RUSSIAN company, isn't it...................? 

Thanks! I'll keep a lookout on that issue. Obviously, the Flagon, having a bubbletop, will not be affected, but the Firebar might. 

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2023, 11:33:55 PMHm, of course it is a RUSSIAN company, isn't it...................? 

AModel is Ukrainian

Quote from: frank2056 on August 25, 2023, 08:34:38 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2023, 11:33:55 PMHm, of course it is a RUSSIAN company, isn't it...................? 

AModel is Ukrainian

That's better then.

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 25, 2023, 09:58:28 AM

Quote from: frank2056 on August 25, 2023, 08:34:38 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2023, 11:33:55 PMHm, of course it is a RUSSIAN company, isn't it...................? 

AModel is Ukrainian

That's better then.

I think we could agree that despite their nationality, the quality is outright Russian.. 

Having painted a bit, and painted again, I'm now so far that I've built most of the cockpits and even closed up the Fishpot fuselage. Now clamped up, the idea is to let it set properly over night, then cut the nose off in order to shim it out a couple of mills to get it to proper length and profile. As said, the plastic seems cooperative (pun intended), so I think we'll be fine. If I just can sort a clean cut.

A Model do do, or did do some interesting types though. Some WWII types in particular that not many others have attempted. 

Still somewhat amused by the inconsistency of Soviet green, i came across a few Firebar photos on the web, looking for references (or really - to fuel my inspiration ). Anyway - look at the dielectric panels on the tail and the radome of these three Firebars:







The top two shots are definitely taken in routine service. The bottom one is more rigged, but it still looks as an aircraft in use. Either, it's a trials aircraft or an early example, I would guess.

Anyway - the glass fibre panels are all different. They can be light grey, dark grey or intermediate grey, and there doesn't seem to be any rule to what goes where. Then on top of this, you can find display aircraft with the ubiquitous green panels as well:



While this last example quite likely never flew like that, we do know of other types that definitely flew with green noses



..but also grey:



I guess, in the end, this mean that it's good not to be chasing the uncompromised truth, but rather build models for fun.  Then, I can even use this to my advantage and select a combination I think looks nice - and verify it with a few pics..

We'll - I'd better get on with something instead of just surfing about..

Quote from: Pellson on August 26, 2023, 01:19:43 AMI guess, in the end, this mean that it's good not to be chasing the uncompromised truth, but rather build models for fun.  Then, I can even use this to my advantage and select a combination I think looks nice - and verify it with a few pics..

We'll - I'd better get on with something instead of just surfing about..

Absolutely sir   

And this is WhiffWorld after all, you can have them any colour YOU like. 

Now THATS a good looking aircraft.