Quote from: Gondor on June 03, 2023, 05:02:12 AM

Quote from: zenrat on June 03, 2023, 04:24:42 AMWow.  3d printing is awesome!

Amazing the difference a squirt of primer makes.

Scares the cr@p out of me as I am bound to make a mess of things, same with the Photo etch 

Gondor

You and me both brother.

Quote from: zenrat on June 03, 2023, 04:24:42 AMWow.  3d printing is awesome!

Amazing the difference a squirt of primer makes.

Totally agree 

Haveing a furtle around I found that I have another couple of sets of photo etch by Atlantic Models. I have both the ATEM 60006 RN Watertight Doors & Hatches 1/600 Scale and ATEM 60003 HMS Devonshire 1/600 Scale.
The doors and Hatches set will be usful for any of the ships I have and the Devonshire set will quite happily go with the 3D set for the County Class Destroyer and the ship I have in the stash. Result as it saves me from haveing to buy them as I already have them.
I must say that I am tempted to get the 3D set for the Deveonshire from Starling Models again as so many of the parts could be used on my other builds, even if I end up with a few spares.

Gondor

So I thought I would try adding some filler to the gaps around the Ikara launcher.





Well that didn't go well because the whole thing came off 


However, every cloud and silver lineings and all that. I was then able to clean up the deck properly rather than the slapdash way I had added the assembly when I first fitted it. Out came the power tools and a very carefull trimming away of the surface detail that was interfering with a clean fit was removed, checked, scraped away, ground away, trimmed, check fitted etc, etc, etc....





She is now in dry dock with everything clamped together and a reasonable amount of superglue added this time. I will see what she is like in the morning as its almost 22:30 BST here and I want to try and get some sleep in this humid heat'


Gondor

The results are in!





Still need of filler betwen the launch complex and the bridge but it needed that before. The little ledge lines up much better than before as well. I removed the odd walkway on the Port side as there is a brass one in the Atlantic Models set which I shall use as it's more to scale, would be hard not to as the resin was roughly 20thou thick which might have caused the ship to list in real life. Thinking about adding some doors as well seeing that I have the Atlantic Models set of them so why not?.


Maybe more sooner rather than later, just don't hold your breath


Gondor

Quote from: Gondor on June 13, 2023, 01:17:37 AMThe results are in!
Maybe more sooner rather than later, just don't hold your breath

Gondor

Definitely some heroic work here!!  It's coming along very nicely indeed.

  Rheged minor has been following this with interest, and he has just unearthed  a pair of  Airfix Leanders from his stash  with a view to building them as a Norwegian or Swedish  class of  Leander clones... the  Freya  class;   Freya, Thor, Odin, Loki, Valhalla, Asgard, Baldur etc.

Quote from: Rheged on June 13, 2023, 02:22:36 AMDefinitely some heroic work here!!  It's coming along very nicely indeed.

  Rheged minor has been following this with interest, and he has just unearthed  a pair of  Airfix Leanders from his stash  with a view to building them as a Norwegian or Swedish  class of  Leander clones... the  Freya  class;   Freya, Thor, Odin, Loki, Valhalla, Asgard, Baldur etc.

Either would be a whiff. May I suggest that the Bedstead radar on the rear mast be replaced and the armament changed to something that the intended operator has used on ships during the time period he is setting his Leanders.

Gondor

I'm holding out for a Harrier ! Not a hero lol

Those 3D details are incredible ! They looked poo-poo (with an english accent) until I saw them sprayed.....wow ! Love the Leander Class shape. Great stuff so far.

So it's been a while since I posted here. I took the build with me to Glasgow back in November and chatted with a couple of people about it.

Bit the bullet a week or so ago and bought a few more detail parts for the build, so I might get my donkey in gear and do some more to the build.

Here are the parts, bought from Starling Models. All the parts have been primed and consist of one set of Bridge equipment and three sets of Bollards and Chocks.



And a couple of close up pictures.





Gondor

"It's not dead, it's merely resting."

I have ordered the rest of the drawings of Leander ships from Queycraft and I have ordered some more parts from Starling Models, for a County Class Cruiser, but they do have Exocet launch containers which will be useful for the Sea Wolf version when I get around to it.

Talking of Sea Wolf Leanders, I received today the 1/350 scale Atlantic Sea Wolf Leander to use as a guide for the proposed 1/600 scale build as I don't know of any conversion/detail set that I can use. I also fancied having a go at the larger version anyway.

Gondor

Sorry I didn't see this thread before as it's right up my street.

More books I can recommend:

Modern Combat Ships 1 'Leander Class' by Cdr C.J.Meyer OBE,RN published by Ian Allen in 1984.
Long out of print, but easy to find on Ebay.


Rebuilding the Royal Navy by D.K. Brown & George Moore
British Destroyers and Frigates - The Second World War and After by Norman Friedman

The latter two aren't specifically about Leanders, but they do have a fair bit of information about them and I can't imagine you'd find them boring, given your interests.


Looking at the County class 3D printed stuff, a whiff idea occures to me: how about a Leander with the Ikara front end and a lengthened and heightened hangar in the style of the Indian or Chilean ships which would allow it to operate the Wessex? (The Indians used Sea Kings on them and the Chileans used Pumas, so a Wessex shouldn't be a problem). The Chilean ones retained a single Seacat on the hangar roof and had a pair of Exocet MM40s (could just as easily have been single MM38 boxes)  either side of the hangar.

A Leander using a Wessex to find subs with dipping sonar and a datalink in order to set up an Ikara shot sounds like a plan.

Quote from: Rheged on June 13, 2023, 02:22:36 AMRheged minor has been following this with interest, and he has just unearthed  a pair of  Airfix Leanders from his stash  with a view to building them as a Norwegian or Swedish  class of  Leander clones... the  Freya  class;   Freya, Thor, Odin, Loki, Valhalla, Asgard, Baldur etc.

That's interesting: I've long had a mental model of a Leander hull with Scandinavian weapon/sensor fit.

The ideal gun would be the Bofors 120mm TAK-120, but lawd knows where you'd find a model of one: they only sold a few (Finland and Indonesia IIRC). The other solution would be to follw the Netherlands example and give up on big guns, replacing the Mk.6 turret with a medium gun plus SSMs. The Dutch fitted an OTO-Melara 76mm compact + 4 x Harpoon to theirs: you might imagine the Swedes fitting a Bofors 57mm and Penguin SSMs.

Seacat would be okay to stay because Sweden used it on their destroyers. They'd probably replace it with RBS-70 in later refits.

The helo could be anything since Sweden didn't have shipboard helos until very recently. The Alouette III would make sense in the context of a late 1960's/mif 1970s buy.

Sensor-wise, Sweden used the SIGNAAL WM20 "egg" before they developed their own Sea Giraffe+9LV200 setup, so they'd probably use it on a Leander too (Australia did).

Quote from: Weaver on March 30, 2024, 07:23:30 PMSorry I didn't see this thread before as it's right up my street.

More books I can recommend:

Modern Combat Ships 1 'Leander Class' by Cdr C.J.Meyer OBE,RN published by Ian Allen in 1984.
Long out of print, but easy to find on Ebay.


Rebuilding the Royal Navy by D.K. Brown & George Moore
British Destroyers and Frigates - The Second World War and After by Norman Friedman

The latter two aren't specifically about Leanders, but they do have a fair bit of information about them and I can't imagine you'd find them boring, given your interests.

I have a few other books not shown in the thread, Warshi NO.2  Frigate HMS Leander - Jantinus Mulder. Published by Lanasts. This is a rod for my own back and not recommended if you have OCD, or CDO as that's with the letters in the correct order!  Very good walk-around shots of the ship.

I also have Royal Navy Frigates since 1945 (Second Edition) by Leo Marriott.

Quote from: Weaver on March 30, 2024, 07:23:30 PMLooking at the County class 3D printed stuff, a whiff idea occures to me: how about a Leander with the Ikara front end and a lengthened and heightened hangar in the style of the Indian or Chilean ships which would allow it to operate the Wessex? (The Indians used Sea Kings on them and the Chileans used Pumas, so a Wessex shouldn't be a problem). The Chilean ones retained a single Seacat on the hangar roof and had a pair of Exocet MM40s (could just as easily have been single MM38 boxes)  either side of the hangar.

A Leander using a Wessex to find subs with dipping sonar and a datalink in order to set up an Ikara shot sounds like a plan.

Some of the Chilian ships were built with the MM38's located on the fantail
https://naval-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/chilean-navy.php



There must have been an upgrade later as the whole fantail was redesigned with more space given to the flight deck and that is when the missile launchers were moved amidships



Gondor

Quote from: Gondor on March 31, 2024, 03:02:35 AMI also have Royal Navy Frigates since 1945 (Second Edition) by Leo Marriott.

Yes I've got that too, but I think mine's first edition (1983). What date's yours?

QuoteSome of the Chilian ships were built with the MM38's located on the fantail
https://naval-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/chilean-navy.php

Both the 1970s new-build ones (Condell and Lynch) were built like that. I think they got some more 2nd hand from the RN in the '80s IIRC.
Basically they were Broad-Beam Gun-Leanders, but with slightly extended hangars for an Alou III and some elements of the Type 21, i.e. Exocet control and Type 992Q TI radar on a tall foremast. No Limbo or VDS of course: they had triple TTs at 01 deck level longside the hangar.

QuoteThere must have been an upgrade later as the whole fantail was redesigned with more space given to the flight deck and that is when the missile launchers were moved amidships

Yes. The hangar was lengthened and raised to take a Cougar (Puma). Before they got those Phalanx guns, they had Seacat in that position with the director on a platform where the INMARSAT dome is in your pic. Looks like they updated the gun's fire control from MRS3 to Type 912 (i.e. Selenia-Orion RTN-10X) at the same time they did the Phalanx.

Quote from: Weaver on March 31, 2024, 06:50:09 AMYes I've got that too, but I think mine's first edition (1983). What date's yours?

1990, So older than some of our members possibly 

Gondor