Quote from: NARSES2 on October 15, 2024, 05:43:52 AM

Quote from: Rheged on October 14, 2024, 11:11:01 AMYet more proof, if it were ever needed , that no matter how complex the question, there is someone here who has the appropriate knowledge .

Righttttttttttttttt.........would someone care to explain woman to me ?   

Can't explain them.  I doubt even women can explain them.

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 15, 2024, 05:43:52 AM

Quote from: Rheged on October 14, 2024, 11:11:01 AMYet more proof, if it were ever needed , that no matter how complex the question, there is someone here who has the appropriate knowledge .

Righttttttttttttttt.........would someone care to explain woman to me ?   

One of the two species of Homo Sapiens who live in a symbiotic relationship with the other species of Homo Sapiens, or it could be the other way around.   

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 15, 2024, 05:43:52 AM

Quote from: Rheged on October 14, 2024, 11:11:01 AMYet more proof, if it were ever needed , that no matter how complex the question, there is someone here who has the appropriate knowledge .

Righttttttttttttttt.........would someone care to explain woman to me ?   

An Act of God. Pls see "Act of God" for reference.


On the Draken topic, I stumbled over an old picture of an early J35D, shot at an exercise "in the wild" in 1964, as this was the only year F13 wing flew the J35D without camouflage.  It's not a very remarkable picture in any other way than  the way it is documenting the everyday life of the RSwAF back in the day, at make-shift bases out and about.



The perceived inverted insignia colours on the nose is a trick played by the b/w film of the day, that interpreted yellow ring and crowns as a darker hue than the sky blue, forming the other half of the insignia.

Quote from: Pellson on October 15, 2024, 06:17:08 AM...The perceived inverted insignia colours on the nose is a trick played by the b/w film of the day, that interpreted yellow ring and crowns as a darker hue than the sky blue, forming the other half of the insignia.

That, or it's a mirror universe "evil" Draken...

Quote from: zenrat on October 16, 2024, 05:02:05 AM

Quote from: Pellson on October 15, 2024, 06:17:08 AM...The perceived inverted insignia colours on the nose is a trick played by the b/w film of the day, that interpreted yellow ring and crowns as a darker hue than the sky blue, forming the other half of the insignia.

That, or it's a mirror universe "evil" Draken...

Soviet-aligned neutral Sweden, defending itself from NATO?

Quote from: scooter on October 16, 2024, 05:24:28 AM

Quote from: zenrat on October 16, 2024, 05:02:05 AM

Quote from: Pellson on October 15, 2024, 06:17:08 AM...The perceived inverted insignia colours on the nose is a trick played by the b/w film of the day, that interpreted yellow ring and crowns as a darker hue than the sky blue, forming the other half of the insignia.

That, or it's a mirror universe "evil" Draken...

Soviet-aligned neutral Sweden, defending itself from NATO?

Don't swear at me..   

Maybe an early low-vis roundel?

Finding myself in a mojo pothole, not much is currently getting done. As I still am dead happy with the shape of the old Revell Draken but just can't seem to make a decision on which scheme to finish it in, I suspect this to be the source of my current mojo drain. Also, still being rather tired after last weeks Finnish excursion doesn't help much.

Tomorrow's Friday, however, and I'm contemplating whether to sod off to the cottage or not after work. Usually it's a good idea, in particular when I'm in need of some mental energy refill, but there's also some stuff needing attention at home. It's been an intense week, this one too, despite my sluggish mind, and I haven't been able to close all the errands and tasks I had on my lists, neither the work one nor the more important one issued by Mrs P (who actually still is rather lovely despite issuing task lists).

Well - time will tell. And in the meantime, aerodynamic studies can be performed also on unpainted models.

Quote from: Pellson on October 17, 2024, 01:05:06 PMFinding myself in a mojo pothole, not much is currently getting done. As I still am dead happy with the shape of the old Revell Draken but just can't seem to make a decision on which scheme to finish it in, I suspect this to be the source of my current mojo drain. Also, still being rather tired after last weeks Finnish excursion doesn't help much.

Tomorrow's Friday, however, and I'm contemplating whether to sod off to the cottage or not after work. Usually it's a good idea, in particular when I'm in need of some mental energy refill, but there's also some stuff needing attention at home. It's been an intense week, this one too, despite my sluggish mind, and I haven't been able to close all the errands and tasks I had on my lists, neither the work one nor the more important one issued by Mrs P (who actually still is rather lovely despite issuing task lists).

Well - time will tell. And in the meantime, aerodynamic studies can be performed also on unpainted models.

If you cant decide which scheme to use, build a second model and do both schemes 

Gondor

Friday evening. Still a bit tired, but now also somewhat sore in my upper arms having gotten a flu shot in one and a Covid shot in the other. While that's definitely worth the discomfort, it would have been nice if I had had just a little bit more mojo to be able to finish something.
Alas, it seems not. Hence, maybe I should break the limbo by the tried method of diversifying, just starting another model? As it's been good fun renovating an old kit - maybe try another one?

In my stash, there's an age old Airfix Lightning F.1A. The original one, you know, with all its inaccuracies. However, if I remember correctly, there is actually an aftermarket white metal nose cone in that box, correcting one of the most glaring faults with the kits, and just maybe, I could build an early Lightning, slightly modernised and kept in service into the eighties? I'm thinking the barley grey scheme and probably Firestreaks with new seeker heads. I'm thinking one wide aspect IR and one SARH. Unlikely, yes, but as the aerodynamics won't allow for Red Tops and Sidewinders seems a bit dull, then that seems to be the easy way out.
They're pretty cool birds, the first Lightnings, with that pointed fin and tiny belly bump..

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Or I'll just actually get around to cross the t's and dot the i's and actually complete one or two Scandinavians?
Time will tell.

That is a Mk.1 depicted. The Mk.1A had longer cable ducts on the lower fuselage sides. As this is whiff world, you can do what you like and base it on what happened if you want which is why I have pointed out the difference.

Gondor

Quote from: Gondor on October 18, 2024, 01:36:25 PMThat is a Mk.1 depicted. The Mk.1A had longer cable ducts on the lower fuselage sides. As this is whiff world, you can do what you like and base it on what happened if you want which is why I have pointed out the difference.

Gondor

At risk of being a prick, I have to disagree, mate. The F.1 didn't feature any duct at all, as can be seen below.

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Letting my thoughts meander away a bit further, my setup would have to assume at least the following deviations from real events:

• All F.1 and F.1A would have been brought up to F.2 std as soon as the F.2 was being delivered. That would give me a pool of 91 airframes, attrition unaccounted for, to take into consideration for modernisation at the end of the 1960's, such a number both making a modernisation development worthwhile while also making a full F.6 upgrade too expensive, as discussed further down.
• The F.2A modernisation would never have occurred. Instead, the F.3 was quickly rebuilt to F.3A/F.6 std as the new wing became available, rendering the older machines even more obsolete, and creating a pool of 124 F.6's, again attrition unaccounted for.
• As the two main problems with the older generation Lightnings were lack of range and lack of all aspect missiles, and the range issue, in comparison to the later versions at least partly was offset by the thirstier Avon mk.301R of the later versions, the issue remaining would have been a new missile. Later in the 1970's, a new Sidewinder version would solve that, but we didn't know that in 1968, so what to do?  What if we rather had a look at the Falcon missile, and in particular its SARH versions. While the missile itself was deemed excessively draggy on the Lightning (yes, it was considered IRL), why not just transfer the seeker technology, or even the technology from the newer but at the time fielded Sparrows, to the existing Firestreak missile, and perhaps in the process fit an improved rocket engine, giving a bit more speed and/or range? That would allow for head-on attacks and could, at least in whif-world, be facilitated within a modified weapons pack.
• Above would eliminate the need for the larger tail of the later Lightnings, if not the F.6 wing, but given tight budgets, maybe a more limited upgrade than the F.2A (which in my world would have included the SARH Firestreak plus aerodynamic changes as per the F.6) would have been preferred, namely the F.2B, having the improved missile but not the new fin, wing or tank, thereby delivering head-on attack capability for less money than a full blown F.2A rebuild. This makes even more sense if you take all remaining F.2, F.1A and F.2 into consideration for rebuild, as numbers drive costs
• One could even, late in the life of the F.2B, imagine adding light missile pylons under the wings at the location of the F.53 weapon hardpoints. Those would only cater for one AIM-9 each, but that would give the Lightning twice as many missiles as before at a very limited cost of modification.

As I am a weak-minded person, I went to dig out the Airfix Lightning in question, finding not only a white metal intake, but also an exhaust. Neither will fit without some surgery, most likely due to them originally being intended for the Matchbox F.6, but surgery is what we're good at, us whiffers, so that's more of an exciting challenge than a drawback, methinks.

Right. That was that SAAB workshop ended, perhaps.. 
On the other hand, this usually is how mojo is resurrected. 

Mojo Resurrection is a Good Thing, regardless of how it occurs or 'How Many?!' new builds are on the go. 

Quote from: Pellson on October 18, 2024, 05:29:35 PM

Quote from: Gondor on October 18, 2024, 01:36:25 PMThat is a Mk.1 depicted. The Mk.1A had longer cable ducts on the lower fuselage sides. As this is whiff world, you can do what you like and base it on what happened if you want which is why I have pointed out the difference.

Gondor

At risk of being a prick, I have to disagree, mate. The F.1 didn't feature any duct at all, as can be seen below.

Pellson mate, you're absolutely right. It was late at night that I wrote that and directly from memory, which these days may not be as good as it was all the time.

Gondor

On of my railway modelling mates is ex-RAF and he was ground crew on 74 Sqdn at Coltishall when they had the first Lightnings in the RAF.

Some of his tales would horrify you! He reckons they didn't have a single aircraft from the first dozen or so that was the same as any other, they had individual 'Amendment Schedules' for each aircraft to add to the work manuals! 

Writing the Maintenance Manuals up as you go... no way that's ever going to lead to problems, right?