Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 23, 2024, 12:26:47 PM

Quote from: Wardukw on October 23, 2024, 11:15:56 AMAin't the float on the B.20 like half the fuselage in size ?
Or damn close to it..I know it's a bloody big chunk of alloy ..remember it's a wiffy so it's gonna work anyway 
But it's also got to look right ..I do know it'll look damn good tho and weird..I like 

Yes it is, as wide as the B.20's fuselage and about 2/3 the height. It won't fit as well on the He-119 as that's got a low wing, but it should work technically OK.

It'll need tip floats too, but I have almost a full set of Aeroclub vacform floats in The Loft
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Something that large on your bird would look seriously wrong..apart from the low wing it's got a pretty slim fuselage aswell ..so now aesthetics come into play.
This will be a challenge bud ..but one I think will be worth the effort 👌

Personally I'd go with the single struts for each float. Add a couple of thin bracing struts and the ladder and you're done.

Given that you are still working on the He-119, may I suggest an amendment to the thread title?    To quote a nineteenth century hymn writer, "Perchance it is not dead but merely sleepeth"    I'm delighted to see work continuing, and eagerly await the finished model and backstory.

Quote from: Rheged on October 24, 2024, 02:41:36 AMGiven that you are still working on the He-119, may I suggest an amendment to the thread title?    To quote a nineteenth century hymn writer, "Perchance it is not dead but merely sleepeth"    I'm delighted to see work continuing, and eagerly await the finished model and backstory.

That, or its UNDEAD...

Quote from: zenrat on October 24, 2024, 03:33:57 AM

Quote from: Rheged on October 24, 2024, 02:41:36 AMGiven that you are still working on the He-119, may I suggest an amendment to the thread title?    To quote a nineteenth century hymn writer, "Perchance it is not dead but merely sleepeth"    I'm delighted to see work continuing, and eagerly await the finished model and backstory.

That, or its UNDEAD...

Rather it's only mostly dead, instead of totally dead.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

(" . . . In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming . . . That's not dead . . . which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die!") 

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 24, 2024, 04:29:14 AMPh'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

(" . . . In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming . . . That's not dead . . . which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die!") 

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu Fhtagn!

Thread drift a go-go. 

Actually it only looks slim from side on, from above it's a fat old bird, see the pic earlier in the thread. But it is pretty difficult drawing up a single float with twice the displacement of the existing ones and finding somewhere for it to retract into under that quite short fuselage. Unlike the B.20 the float has to miss the single prop in both positions, and it ends up being VERY deep to be short enough and have a large enough volume.

From the above you'll have gathered I spent a fair amount of time calculating and drawing last night............

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 24, 2024, 05:07:14 AMThread drift a go-go. 

Actually it only looks slim from side on, from above it's a fat old bird, see the pic earlier in the thread. But it is pretty difficult drawing up a single float with twice the displacement of the existing ones and finding somewhere for it to retract into under that quite short fuselage. Unlike the B.20 the float has to miss the single prop in both positions, and it ends up being VERY deep to be short enough and have a large enough volume.

From the above you'll have gathered I spent a fair amount of time calculating and drawing last night............

Can we expect tales of Heinkel espionage in the Blackburn works in the backstory, or was it the other way round?

Quote from: Rheged on October 24, 2024, 06:55:10 AMCan we expect tales of Heinkel espionage in the Blackburn works in the backstory, or was it the other way round?

Probably both.   

The He 119 was ahead of the B.20 timewise as the B.20 didn't fly till March 1940 so there could have been a bit of cross-fertilisation I guess.

The B.20's one of my FAVE aeroplanes, it's just so bizarre, and I have a kit of one somewhere, donated to me by the late Mike McEvoy.     My Whiffed in-service version has the working title of the Blackburn Bolton.

Having finally finished my other bit of Luftwaffe whimsy, the Ju 588, I've dragged the wreckage of the He 119 out of its box, and I'm busy drawing up different sorts of float stuts. Most of them could be termed 'Heavy Duty' as they have much deeper struts chordwise, and are thicker too, in order to lessen the need for umpteen bracing struts, I may get away with just a single set at the front of each strut.

Watch this space.................

😳😳😳😳   space being watched 👀 👌

The original individual float struts on the 119 were just too fragile and difficult to locate properly, so I junked the whole batch of them, and filed down the stubs that were left over on the floats themselves and on the underside of the wing and fuselage.

Now I've got my mojo on this one back again I've made up some one-piece struts out of two layers of 20 thou styrene sandwiched together, then filed to a vaguely aerofoil shape, as you do, and glued it onto the top of one float. It's thick enough to offer a much larger gluing surface where it meets the wing so should go together a lot more firmly. I'll add some sway brace style struts as well, but the new one-piece struts will be the main load bearing bits.



I've made another one-piece strut for the other float already, but I'll attach this one, and its sway braces to the airframe before I go ahead on the other side, who knows what 'updates' may be required of course.......... 

So far so better mate 👍

The port float's in place now. 

I drilled a 1mm hole down the end of both struts and glued a short bit of fuse wire in there, drilled out the aft end holes in the underside of the wing, and then marked and drilled out where the forward strut hole needed to be, as it's about 5 mm further forward than the kit's idea. Then superglued the float and strut in place, holding it steady for 35 secs or so.

The bracing struts are lengths of 3 mm wide 20 thou, filed and sanded to an approx. airfoil shape and then cut to length and superglued in place.

RESULT!



It's got a slightly less steep angle of attack than originally, but I think it looks a bit better like that.



From an angular view you can see how the bracing struts fit into place. The paintwork needs a bit of a trim, but that'll wait till both floats are on.



And from dead ahead the two bracing struts are actually parallel! A miracle for sure.

I'm quite pleased with the result and it's LOADS stronger than Valom's original idea.    All I have to do is do the starboard one the same....................