Quote from: Weaver on March 09, 2025, 06:37:53 AMFrom the T-Stoff wiki page:

QuoteBecause of its extreme oxidizing potential, T-Stoff was a very dangerous chemical to handle, so special rubberized suits were required when working with it, as it would react with most cloth, leather, or other combustible material and cause it to spontaneously combust. T-Stoff corroded iron and steel, and thus had to be kept in aluminium tanks. Conversely, C-Stoff ate through aluminium and had to be kept in glass or enamel. T-Stoff containers were white, C-Stoff containers were yellow. The tanker trucks carrying T-Stoff and C-Stoff, clearly marked "T" and "C" were forbidden to come within 800 meters of each other.

Engage engine whilst pointing uphill and you have (potentially) the first motor coach/charabanc  in low earth orbit.

Quote from: frank2056 on March 06, 2025, 05:51:15 PM

Quote from: sandiego89 on March 06, 2025, 02:21:24 PM...The project was short lived. 

So were the driver, his passengers and some unlucky bystanders...

Beat me to it!     

T-Stoff was 80-85% hydrogen peroxide, which is insane.  (In college, I had an accident in a lab with only 10% H2O2 that bleached a wide strip of my hair for about 3 months).  C-Stoff was a mixture of Methanol and Hydrazine that is only slightly less deadly in comparison to the T-Stoff.

This bus will get to its destination in a hurry! In one piece or several... but it'll get there.

Quote from: frank2056 on March 09, 2025, 11:21:59 AMT-Stoff was 80-85% hydrogen peroxide, which is insane.  (In college, I had an accident in a lab with only 10% H2O2 that bleached a wide strip of my hair for about 3 months).  C-Stoff was a mixture of Methanol and Hydrazine that is only slightly less deadly in comparison to the T-Stoff.

This bus will get to its destination in a hurry! In one piece or several... but it'll get there.

Thinking more like it'll get to every destination..all at once 
Saw test footage of these two chemicals..once was tripped onto a shirt and that went up in flames and the other was just sitting in the sun and away that went aswell 😳 😐
So let's just mix it together..should be fine 🙂

Quote from: frank2056 on March 09, 2025, 11:21:59 AMT-Stoff was 80-85% hydrogen peroxide, which is insane.  (In college, I had an accident in a lab with only 10% H2O2 that bleached a wide strip of my hair for about 3 months).  C-Stoff was a mixture of Methanol and Hydrazine that is only slightly less deadly in comparison to the T-Stoff.

This bus will get to its destination in a hurry! In one piece or several... but it'll get there.

The wierd thing about HTP is that it actually gets safer the purer it is, at least in terms of explosion risk. It's the impurities that cause it to spontaneously decompose: if you're walking past a tank of HTP and it goes "BLOOP", time for a running shoe test. Less impurities, less risk. The 95-98% stuff you can get now is significantly safer. 80-85% is in whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is: concentrated enough to have a ton of stored energy, impure enough to release it all at once if it feels like it. Or you look at it in the wrong tone of voice. Or it's the wrong sort of Thursday...

When I was doing my hydraulic sampling thing with No. 1 Sqdn. at RAF Wittering in 1974, we did most of the work in what they called the Blue Steel hangar there. That was because that missile was used by a Victor squadron there and all the maintenance on the missiles had been done in that hangar, and it had a superb high pressure hydraulic ring main installed all round it. Very useful for us.

But it also had a HUGE stainless steel tank in one corner, marked 'HTP' in large letters, which was covered in all sorts of red warning labels. The Engineering Officer there said it hadn't been used for many years and was rumoured to be totally empty, but even so it had a wall of chain link fencing all round it, with multiply padlocked entrance doors, and no-one would go anywhere near it! 

And now for something completely different ! Don't see many school buses around here. Rocket fueled or otherwise lol

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 09, 2025, 02:53:24 PMWhen I was doing my hydraulic sampling thing with No. 1 Sqdn. at RAF Wittering in 1974, we did most of the work in what they called the Blue Steel hangar there. That was because that missile was used by a Victor squadron there and all the maintenance on the missiles had been done in that hangar, and it had a superb high pressure hydraulic ring main installed all round it. Very useful for us.

But it also had a HUGE stainless steel tank in one corner, marked 'HTP' in large letters, which was covered in all sorts of red warning labels. The Engineering Officer there said it hadn't been used for many years and was rumoured to be totally empty, but even so it had a wall of chain link fencing all round it, with multiply padlocked entrance doors, and no-one would go anywhere near it! 

The Hydrogen peroxide and kerosene fueled Blue Steel (conveniently wrapped around a 1+ Megaton warhead!) might count as a bad idea in itself!

To show that I am an equal opportunist on bad taste/ideas, I had been thinking of a fuming nitric acid fueled school bus in the 1950's US application, but I had the Omnibus in the stash.....   

Captain Canada, yellow and black school busses are all over the USA.  Fortunately, they rarely explode but with their flashing red lights picking up self-loading cargo, are the bane of every office worker running 5 minutes late to get to work. 

Quote from: sandiego89 on March 09, 2025, 04:30:39 PMThe Hydrogen peroxide and kerosene fueled Blue Steel (conveniently wrapped around a 1+ Megaton warhead!) might count as a bad idea in itself!

To show that I am an equal opportunist on bad taste/ideas, I had been thinking of a fuming nitric acid fueled school bus in the 1950's US application, but I had the Omnibus in the stash.....   

My Division Director at BR was the Control Systems engineer on the Blue Steel, and when I told him I'd worked in 'that hangar' he looked horrified and said 'They're not STILL using HTP are they?' but I was able to assure him that they weren't. 

I always wondered about the 'Red Fuming Nitric Acid' fuel used in the US SAMs, it was the Nike Ajax that used that as an oxidiser, wasn't it?

Quote from: Weaver on March 09, 2025, 02:39:39 PMThe wierd thing about HTP is that it actually gets safer the purer it is, at least in terms of explosion risk. It's the impurities that cause it to spontaneously decompose: if you're walking past a tank of HTP and it goes "BLOOP", time for a running shoe test. Less impurities, less risk. The 95-98% stuff you can get now is significantly safer. 80-85% is in whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is: concentrated enough to have a ton of stored energy, impure enough to release it all at once if it feels like it. Or you look at it in the wrong tone of voice. Or it's the wrong sort of Thursday...

I am guessing that you read Douglas Adams

Gondor

Quote from: Gondor on March 09, 2025, 11:09:50 PM

Quote from: Weaver on March 09, 2025, 02:39:39 PMThe wierd thing about HTP is that it actually gets safer the purer it is, at least in terms of explosion risk. It's the impurities that cause it to spontaneously decompose: if you're walking past a tank of HTP and it goes "BLOOP", time for a running shoe test. Less impurities, less risk. The 95-98% stuff you can get now is significantly safer. 80-85% is in whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is: concentrated enough to have a ton of stored energy, impure enough to release it all at once if it feels like it. Or you look at it in the wrong tone of voice. Or it's the wrong sort of Thursday...

I am guessing that you read Douglas Adams

Gondor

I do, but that wasn't what I was thinking of to be honest. The "bloop" thing and "running shoes" is cribbed from Ignition! by John D. Clark, a scientist who spent his career working on rocket fuels. It's a highly amusing and entertaining book, for such a technical subject.

Quote from: sandiego89 on March 09, 2025, 04:30:39 PMTo show that I am an equal opportunist on bad taste/ideas, I had been thinking of a fuming nitric acid fueled school bus in the 1950's US application, but I had the Omnibus in the stash.....   

Red Fuming Nitric Acid (RFNA) is mainly used as an oxidiser, so why not put a tank of Unsymmetrical DiMethylHydrazine (UDMH) on there for fuel? UDMH is just as much a fun, kiddie-friendly stuff as RFNA: no idea why Russian rocket scientists nicknamed this combo "The Devil's Venom"...

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 09, 2025, 05:08:38 PM

Quote from: sandiego89 on March 09, 2025, 04:30:39 PMThe Hydrogen peroxide and kerosene fueled Blue Steel (conveniently wrapped around a 1+ Megaton warhead!) might count as a bad idea in itself!

To show that I am an equal opportunist on bad taste/ideas, I had been thinking of a fuming nitric acid fueled school bus in the 1950's US application, but I had the Omnibus in the stash.....   

My Division Director at BR was the Control Systems engineer on the Blue Steel, and when I told him I'd worked in 'that hangar' he looked horrified and said 'They're not STILL using HTP are they?' but I was able to assure him that they weren't. 

I always wondered about the 'Red Fuming Nitric Acid' fuel used in the US SAMs, it was the Nike Ajax that used that as an oxidiser, wasn't it?

The Russian still use HTP for the maneuvering thrusters on the Soyuz spacecraft. It's also used in some high-performance torpedoes, which is terrifying.

RFNA and related mixtures was used in Nike Ajax and a bunch of other ballistic missiles and space launchers. A spill results in a cloud of nitric acid vapour which eats your lungs in the worst way possible. If you see a rusty red cloud anywhere near a rocket or missile site: running shoes.

So the destination board on the bus.  "Further"?

But not for the usual reason...
 

This is a bonkers idea, but I'm finding this thread dead entertaining   

Mog
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