What would the RFC have used as a British equivalent of lozenge patterns?
Tartan?  Burberry Check?  a William Morris design?

Quote from: zenrat on April 15, 2025, 05:42:33 AMWhat would the RFC have used as a British equivalent of lozenge patterns?
Tartan?  Burberry Check?  a William Morris design?

Dazzle!

Interesting but what colours? Brown and green but not much dazzle. Tartan looks promising.

Yellow ..red..blue and orange checkers 

Quote from: stevehed on April 15, 2025, 04:03:37 PMTartan looks promising.

Especially some of the more subtle ones. Perhaps a Royal Stewart one, although it's a tad vibrant. 

Gingham. 

Paisley, wouldn't so much dazzle as blind... 

Quote from: Mossie on April 19, 2025, 02:23:43 PMGingham. 

Paisley, wouldn't so much dazzle as blind... 

  

Prince of Wales Check ?

Can I ask, is this a general place to dump WW1 whifs or is it a gallery for your builds, Steve? 

Quote from: RAFF-35 on Yesterday at 05:21:02 AMCan I ask, is this a general place to dump WW1 whifs or is it a gallery for your builds, Steve? 

Currently it's a discussion on fabric patterns in the early 20th century...

Quote from: zenrat on Yesterday at 06:21:41 AM

Quote from: RAFF-35 on Yesterday at 05:21:02 AMCan I ask, is this a general place to dump WW1 whifs or is it a gallery for your builds, Steve? 

Currently it's a discussion on fabric patterns in the early 20th century...

And further fuelling the thread hijack:

The British did some experiments with cammouflage patterns. A Canadian artist, Percyval Tudor-Hart was commissioned to do some experiments. He came up with a zig-zag dazzle pattern. This model shows the pattern, but the full scale experiments were done using fabric drapes. Some camouflage gloves were produced, as well some experiments with ships and I believe he did some experiments with aircraft, but I've never found anything. There's more in the links.
https://www.reddit.com/r/camouflage/comments/1egs0tj/does_anyone_have_more_info_on_this_camouflage/?rdt=41073

https://camoupedia.blogspot.com/2019/05/percyval-tudor-hart-canadian-camouflage.html?m=1

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That's difficult just too look at in model form! 

Here's the full scale version. I did consider building it in 1/72 using plastic card and printed decals but decided against it.

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Ye gods, that must have looked a sight in full colour! 

But surely it's hardly 'camouflaged' as such, is it?

When I first found out about this experiment, I assumed the pattern was designed to dazzle and confuse the eye. According to the second link, it was to mix the colours to appear grey to the eye.

It wasn't adopted and the optical mixing doesn't work as Tudor-Hart expected. Many of the early camouflage experts were artists and didn't have a full understanding of the science behind colour. Solomon J Solomon, who designed the camouflage that was adopted on the Mark I tanks, got the patterning right. However, the bright colours he used were often overpainted in the field with dull natural tones.

Dazzle camouflage has quite a story behind it  :-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage  It's also worth looking at the collected works of Norman Wilkinson  :-  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Wilkinson_(artist)  and  :-  https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=08f9404a665a6878&hl=en&sxsrf=AHTn8zrFOC336ng-lwrf6i6TOBaMwrlAEA:1745182896969&q=Norman+Wilkinson&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBsxayPSIAqObp_AgjkUGqemmTG2DFZE7tmKcXVp5H8R-R5rx2cv4LdpyiJ4nHnaj22nzwRLb038fZUcDagzuU5JMvWvtjGNLL7KXZuMGJ8jJcUt7C8AOlnuhFVueytR4tMw9VPc1DLuELRcJx-63pH51AnlFH8SKHOwWLbFKS1gU3p3P7g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPlJH1wOeMAxUja0EAHUM_HywQtKgLegQIJhAB&biw=1528&bih=738&dpr=1.25