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kitnut617 · October 19, 2022, 08:09:03 AM

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on October 19, 2022, 07:40:47 AMThere is/were a 1:48 and an 1:72 scale TwoSader conversion set (with resin parts) from Maintrack. And Airmodel did a vacu conversion set in 1:72, too. The canopy is "authentic", with that odd kink in the frame.

RVHP too Dizzy ---

jcf · October 19, 2022, 09:27:04 AM

Combine the Two-Sader with the NASA Supercritical Wing testbed and you'd have an interesting critter.

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scooter · October 19, 2022, 10:49:47 AM

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jcf · October 19, 2022, 01:03:14 PM

More Twosader here:
Memories of the Two Seat Crusader

Captain Canada · October 19, 2022, 04:12:17 PM

That super critical wing is harsh lol. Funny stuff

scooter · October 19, 2022, 05:02:32 PM

Quote from: AeroplaneDriver on October 18, 2022, 10:45:44 PMBeautiful job here. Invite sent.

I was looking at this on my phone this morning and didn't even see the second cockpit

Old Wombat · October 19, 2022, 06:43:51 PM

I'm intrigued by the "cheeks" on the model; I'm guessing that they're for ammunition for the guns, which it has & the real Two-saders didn't.

Lovely build, though!

NARSES2 · October 20, 2022, 12:05:54 AM

I didn't get the Super Critical Wing cartoon at first, but then it is early here, but now after a mug of tea I appreciate it

PR19_Kit · October 20, 2022, 02:00:48 AM

Quote from: Old Wombat on October 19, 2022, 06:43:51 PMI'm intrigued by the "cheeks" on the model; I'm guessing that they're for ammunition for the guns, which it has & the real Two-saders didn't.

IIRC there's only one on the port side, and it's the fairing over the retractable IFR probe, at least on the single seat F-8s.

Dizzyfugu · October 20, 2022, 05:16:20 AM

Exactly.

And there was only ever ONE TwoSader - it eventually crashed during training with pilots from the Philippines to prepare them for their 2nd hand Crusaders.

Old Wombat · October 20, 2022, 07:02:47 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2022, 02:00:48 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on October 19, 2022, 06:43:51 PMI'm intrigued by the "cheeks" on the model; I'm guessing that they're for ammunition for the guns, which it has & the real Two-saders didn't.

IIRC there's only one on the port side, and it's the fairing over the retractable IFR probe, at least on the single seat F-8s.

Didn't think of that, because of the A-7 (IFR on the right) & the fact that the real Two-Sader didn't have one (see Jon's image & below).

jcf · October 20, 2022, 12:05:31 PM

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2022, 12:05:54 AMI didn't get the Super Critical Wing cartoon at first, but then it is early here, but now after a mug of tea I appreciate it

It was part of the NASA JMN program.

NARSES2 · October 21, 2022, 05:23:04 AM

Quote from: jcf on October 20, 2022, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2022, 12:05:54 AMI didn't get the Super Critical Wing cartoon at first, but then it is early here, but now after a mug of tea I appreciate it
It was part of the NASA JMN program.

perttime · October 31, 2022, 11:42:15 PM

Pointed out in a Facebook group:
"A private imaginative design from 1941 by Sixten Sason. He worked at Saab illustrating manuals. Later came back as a consultant on car designs."
"Two liquid fuel rockets (takeoff/in-flight boost & landing brake), two jet engines. Radio navigation, telephoto-cell target display, _ejection seat_. 12 rockets with self-guidance by selenium / photo cell. Supersonic. Is this 1941 cafeteria talk"
https://twitter.com/gripennews/status/1355556348126236674

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Edit: a bit more at https://www.j35draken.com/vagen-till-draken
Google translation:
In 1941, Sason published a drawing called "project LX". In Sason's own words: "A supersonic plane propelled by 2 reaction turbine engines, and at take-off and during combat momentarily by a rocket engine as other drive source. Because of the high speed, the plane must be radio-directed from the ground, as well as having aids that enable the pilot to see at great distances, for example binoculars that affect photocells, which reproduce the target on a screen". Sason thus anticipated here both jet propulsion, combat control, radar and IR aids. The plane was also equipped with a catapult seat and, as can be seen from the picture, he also realized that the landing required a high angle of attack with subsequent visibility problems. Sason's solution was to be able to see through the floor, a variant of the SK 35's periscope. As weapons, Sason predicted homing "rocket projectiles" guided by selenium or photocells. The aircraft also had a double delta wing to make room for fuel and weapons. If you look at the three-level sketch, the LX is very similar to the first version of the Little Dragon. A fantastic vision of the future by a supremely talented illustrator and technician.

A reprimand may be in order. Sason's drawing is often referred to as SAAB-LX. However, it has nothing to do with SAAB, but is one of his many visionary drawings. For example, in 1939 he published a car, extremely similar to the SAAB 92 long before SAAB had thought about car production. Erik Bratt, who himself started at SAAB in 1946, stated in an interview in 1998 that he had never seen or heard of the drawing. His team's influences came mainly from Germany (Lippisch et al.). This in no way detracts from Sason's fantastic vision of the future.

PR19_Kit · November 01, 2022, 01:11:40 AM

Wow, I LOVE the look of that! The chisel nose is amazing, and you can see some SAAB shaping in various bits of it.

Now I'm wondering how it could be built in plastic of course, and that doesn't look easy.