Canadian CF-105

kitnut617 · September 01, 2006, 12:03:05 PM

I've been reading a very interesting book about the Canadair CF-5 which is put out under the In Canadian Service series of books. It goes through the history of the aircraft and also some history as to why it was picked for the RCAF.

It turns out that the RCAF really wanted the F-105 as it was perfroming very well in Vietnam at the time but the Canadian Government in it's wisdom decide what the RCAF really needed, was the CF-5 instead.

I would have to say that this will lead to some very speculative What-If CF-105's coming from my stash sometime in the future. And just imagine them being built in Canada too, under a licence agreement.

Robert

GeorgeC · September 01, 2006, 12:57:07 PM

This is the CF105

- the Canadians will feed you to the huskies!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Arrow

No doubt the Thud would have had to have some totally different CF number if chosen. The other contenders in the competition were the F4, F111, A5, A6 and A7. TSR 2 would have been nice too, but long gone by the selection date!

Regards

GeorgeC

Captain Canada · September 01, 2006, 01:35:10 PM

A big Thud in CDN colours would look great, but we all know we chose the Phantom instead.

Looking forward to seeing some of your Thuds, especially if you do one in 1 Air Div colours !

kitnut617 · September 01, 2006, 02:27:26 PM

QuoteThis is the CF105 - the Canadians will feed you to the huskies!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Arrow

Regards

GeorgeC

:dum: :dum: I knew that

I wasn't thinking there, was I? Well I guess it had a good chance of being called the, err: -------- CF-5 then

Robert

kitnut617 · September 01, 2006, 02:29:49 PM

Wicked bunch of F-4's you've got Cap,

You've given me some camo scheme ideas

Robert

elmayerle · September 01, 2006, 03:23:29 PM

*chuckle* How about Canadian purchase of the Thunderchief, and manufacturing rights starting earlier and, in a bid for increaed "local content", the Iroquois replaces the J75 in Canadian aircraft.

You ned up with the following:

Mk.1 - generally equivalent to F-105B
Mk.2 - generally equivalent to F-105D, but all with T-Stick II and revolving door weapons bay.
Mk.3 - generally equivalent to F-105F, but, like the Mk. 2, all with T-Stick II and revolving door weapons bay

Mk.3 might be adapted for multi-role use with different "packs" replacing the revolving door. You might even have a "buldged door" version with extra fuel.

Alvis 3.1 · September 01, 2006, 04:23:04 PM

In reality, after cancelling the Arrow, the Diefenbaker government looked at purchasing F-105s and re-engining them with the Irouquois engines. After crunching the numbers, it was discovered that they would be MORE expensive than the cancelled Arrows!

However, HAD it been done, I anticipate the planes would have been unofficailly known as "BlunderDiefs"

And you know, as a follow on the the "Clunk", a "Thud" would be somehow correct.

Alvis 3.1

Son of Damian · September 01, 2006, 06:55:32 PM

Quotethe RCAF really wanted the F-105 as it was perfroming very well in Vietnam

Thud!!! Did you hear that, it sounded like another F-105 was shot down!!!

Mk.4 - generally equivalent to F-105G Wild Weasel

An F-105G with full Wild Weasel stores, Maple Leafs, and a euro scheme for service in Germayn would look pretty cool!!! B)

retro_seventies · September 01, 2006, 07:26:49 PM

*sigh*

i'm going to curl up next to my wife and dream of beautiful CF-111B's protecting the motherland from Bears and Badgers...

i think i'm in love.

rallymodeller · September 01, 2006, 10:23:59 PM

Quote*sigh*

i'm going to curl up next to my wife and dream of beautiful CF-111B's protecting the motherland from Bears and Badgers...

i think i'm in love.

No...

Remember, we've got Bears...

Heh heh heh. Just looking for an excuse to repost this.

Sentinel Chicken · September 01, 2006, 10:43:05 PM

I bet that Bear landing makes a helluva THUD..........

lancer · September 02, 2006, 03:48:17 AM

Glad you did repost it Rally. I love the Bear and she surely does look great in those colours.

RLBH · September 02, 2006, 04:51:05 AM

That Bear just looks so right...

Are you sure it's a whif?

Archibald · September 02, 2006, 05:29:36 AM

Quote*chuckle* How about Canadian purchase of the Thunderchief, and manufacturing rights starting earlier and, in a bid for increaed "local content", the Iroquois replaces the J75 in Canadian aircraft.

You ned up with the following:

Mk.1 - generally equivalent to F-105B
Mk.2 - generally equivalent to F-105D, but all with T-Stick II and revolving door weapons bay.
Mk.3 - generally equivalent to F-105F, but, like the Mk. 2, all with T-Stick II and revolving door weapons bay

Mk.3 might be adapted for multi-role use with different "packs" replacing the revolving door. You might even have a "buldged door" version with extra fuel.

And later, after the failure of the F-111, the USAF decide to replace it by an upgraded Thud, (based on the two-seat variant, more practical for ground-attack) powered by a F-100 engine and having a downgraded F-111A weapon system (to fit on the smaller nose of the F-105).

kitnut617 · September 02, 2006, 07:35:34 AM

QuoteThud!!! Did you hear that, it sounded like another F-105 was shot down!!!

Well generally they did very well considering the constraints that were imposed on them.

Like: you can only enter the north here

and fly down this corridor

and only attack these targets

. Then only use this corridor to exit :dum:

Even a blind man would soon clue in and place all the triple A right there.