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Started by The Rat, October 21, 2006, 02:38:50 PM

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The Rat

October 21, 2006, 02:38:50 PM
Was in one of our local shops today and they had a Vacform kit of a plane I had never previously heard of, a Cunliffe Owen O.A. Mk.1, apparently a license built Burnelli design:


(Photo supplied by Derek Askie)

It appeared to be fairly large (sorry, didn't note the scale) and the paper insert was folded in such a way that the manufacturer wasn't visible. I can't see myself tackling it, but due to its unusual nature and what seems to be a half-decent price, $20 Cdn, I thought someone here might be interested. Tophe comes to mind...  :P

They recently moved and don't have internet service yet for mail-order, but if anyone is interested reply to me and I can pick it up for you.  ;)  
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kitnut617

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October 21, 2006, 06:27:31 PM
For those who can read French, (sorry not me though)

http://www.cocardes.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=124
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The Rat

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October 21, 2006, 06:53:59 PM
QuoteFor those who can read French, (sorry not me though)

http://www.cocardes.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=124
Wow! I might have to pick that one up myself. Can't read French, but it looks like it had more history and use than I thought.
"My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

Life is too short to worry about perfection

Youtube: https://tinyurl.com/46dpfdpr

rallymodeller

#3
October 21, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
Evan, they made those in Canada too! Can't offhand remember the manufacturer right now, though...
--Jeremy

Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...


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jcf

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October 21, 2006, 10:25:17 PM
QuoteEvan, they made those in Canada too! Can't offhand remember the manufacturer right now, though...
Canadian Car & Foundry CBY-3 Loadmaster...also a Burnelli type, but different from the Cunliffe-Owen version.




CC&F Loadmaster

Draggy brutes all of the Burnellis.

Cheers, Jon

Archibald

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October 22, 2006, 12:34:54 AM
Quote
QuoteFor those who can read French, (sorry not me though)

http://www.cocardes.com/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=124
Wow! I might have to pick that one up myself. Can't read French, but it looks like it had more history and use than I thought.
Aparently this plane was used by the Free French in Africa during WWII. I heard an article about an article name "L'aile volante des FAFL" the flying wing of the Free Freenc air force...  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Nigel Bunker

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October 22, 2006, 12:28:09 PM Last Edit: October 22, 2006, 12:28:35 PM by Nigel Bunker
In one of the Airfix Magazine Annuals there was a conversion to make the Cunliffe Owen O.A. Mk.1 from a HP Hampden using lots of plasikard. I'll try to finf the article next week.
Life's too short to apply all the stencils

RLBH

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October 22, 2006, 02:22:15 PM
Why did the Burnelli concept never take off, so to speak?

It seems to have everything going for it: crashworthy design, all-wing aerodynamics and fairly good internal space. Was it just badly timed or unlucky, or is there some flaw in the concept?

jcf

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October 22, 2006, 05:31:35 PM
QuoteWhy did the Burnelli concept never take off, so to speak?

It seems to have everything going for it: crashworthy design, all-wing aerodynamics and fairly good internal space. Was it just badly timed or unlucky, or is there some flaw in the concept?
Thick aerofoil section = drag = slow.

Also a spanwise seating layout is poor for a passenger carrier, the Burnellis, flying wings and the BWB have the same basic problems:
1) The average passenger would not be comfortable seated 20 or more feet from the aircraft centerline as the vertical displacement in a normal banked turn would be very disconcerting. Modern computerized flight controls that enable true flat turns are what would make a BWB airliner a possibility.

2) It is difficult, and far more expensive, to build a pressurised version.

Contrary to Slick Goodlin's rantings Burnelli's designs were not the best thing since sliced bread.

Cheers, Jon
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