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Rb-199

Started by ysi_maniac, April 16, 2007, 11:55:02 AM

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ysi_maniac

Does any one of know why RB-199 was installed only in Tornadoes?
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jcf

Because nobody else bought the engine.

elmayerle

The only other using proposal was the European-built F-17s and the F-16's win rather ended that.
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Thorvic

As Evan says the consolidation of aircraft into only a couple of types kinda restricts options. There were plenty of new designs or re-engine designs during the 70's & 80's to use the RB-199, but none of these made it from the drawing board. Couple that with the fact the engine is built as a consortium specifically for the Tornado and the marketing becomes somewhat harder.

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P1127

Not just Tornado! EAP and the early Eurofighters as well!

And the test airframe was a Vulcan!
It's not an effing  jump jet.

Archibald

QuoteDoes any one of know why RB-199 was installed only in Tornadoes?
There was many British projects using the RB-199 in the 70's, mentionned in Tony Buttler books "British secret projects" (two volumes).
But these projects remained paper only... AST-396 was a Harrier / Jaguar replacement / complement. AST-406 was first step to the Typhoon. Many proposals used RB-199s...  
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simmie

I believe a dry version was offered on the Hawk 200 series, but I would have to check to be sure.
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ysi_maniac

QuoteI believe a dry version was offered on the Hawk 200 series, but I would have to check to be sure.
This posibility sound really cool.
And standard RB-199 in a supersonic Hawk 200 ... B)  :wub:  
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GeorgeC

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QuoteI believe a dry version was offered on the Hawk 200 series, but I would have to check to be sure.
This posibility sound really cool.
And standard RB-199 in a supersonic Hawk 200 ... B)  :wub:
It wouldn't be supersonic for long though!  The airframe structure would require significant change before it could move from sustained transonic to supersonic flight - might even end up looking supiciously like a T-38.  Alternatively, you would get a new generation Supermarine Scimitar, a plane which no other design team could have kept subsonic given so much engine power :)

elmayerle

QuoteI believe a dry version was offered on the Hawk 200 series, but I would have to check to be sure.
I rather suspect you'd have to enlarge the inlets to accomodate the RB.199 and that would reduce the advantages of doing a single-seat Hawk.  Mind you, I like the idea and, if the inlets sufficed at altitude, I'd suggest adding blow-in doors as on the F-5E/F when uprated J85s were installed and they couldn't easily enlarge the inlets without massive structural redesign that'd've run the cost way up.
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ysi_maniac

QuoteI'd suggest adding blow-in doors as on the F-5E/F when uprated J85s were installed and they couldn't easily enlarge the inlets without massive structural redesign that'd've run the cost way up.
This sounds brilliant :wub:  
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