Argentine Horten designs

Started by StephenMiller, March 05, 2008, 05:06:00 AM

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StephenMiller

WI in the 1950s, Peron lasted for the remainder of the decade and even the 1960s?  I know that the Horten brothers were involved in designing flying wing designs in Argentina for transport planes and even supersonic fighters?
Any profile proposals for the Argentine Horten fighters and how would the Falklands-Malvinas war turned out very differently had Argentina had Horten-based fighters?
How about advanced-modified Horten and Pulqui designs for the Fuerza Aerea Argentina?

Archibald

I remember seing some advanced Pulqui III (rather similar to HF-24) and other Horten concepts on the web -can't remember where!-

How do you say "Marut" in spanish ?  :lol:

There was also an IAe project - think it was IAe 48- wich was a mach 2 naval fighter with an ogival wing for the Independencia carrier  :wub:

A very interesting whatif would be a medium bomber (around 20-30 tons)  based on the Horten design instead of Canberras.
Enough range to reach the falkland while the overall shape is rather "stealth" by itself because of low frontal-area...



King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Mossie

Several pics & some small blank profiles of FMA aircraft designed by Kurt Tank & the Horten Brothers.


IA-37 Glider


IA-37 Manned Version


IA-38 Wind Tunnel Model


IAe-38 Narenjero


Pulqui II







Links to Flight Sim FMA IAe-48 & Pulqui II:
http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/JRIA48M/jria48m.html
http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/pulqII/pulqII.html
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Archibald

King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Mossie

I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

StephenMiller

Great stuff there.  Are there any other websites and sources in Spanish on the Argentine Horten planes too?

Lawman

I wouldn't bet on Horten fighters - flying wings are incredibly stable, a good characteristic for a bomber, but a terrible property in a fighter. In the mid '50s, they could have built a good medium-to-long range bomber, using a Horten flying wing, possibly similar in general size and arrangement to the Northrop XB-49, probably using six engines (versus the XB-49's eight less reliable engines). These bombers would be pretty expensive, but would have the range to hit anywhere in South America, and probably as far away as the Southern US, all while carrying a useful warload.

Basically, leave fighters to Kurt Tank, and bombers to the Horten brothers, and you will have good potential. Even a modest number of the Horten bombers would be enough to affect the balance of power on the continent, since even a couple could pretty much devastate any capital in the region, or it could carry a single basic anti-shipping missile (primitive, given the timeframe, perhaps a command guided V-1?).

dy031101

Quote from: Lawman on March 06, 2008, 09:23:22 AM
I wouldn't bet on Horten fighters - flying wings are incredibly stable, a good characteristic for a bomber, but a terrible property in a fighter.

IA.37 and IA.48 seem more like tailless delta-wings than flying-wings.
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