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Toff-Toff engine for twin-boom aircraft ?

Started by Tophe, January 18, 2004, 04:08:06 AM

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Ollie

Yeah, talk about it!  And the Habs won 4-1 against the Broad Street Bullies tonight!

Eh!

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nev

Quotethey were paid during strike
They get paid whilst they're on strike??!!!???   :blink:  :huh:

Its no wonder they're on strike all the time!!!  :D

Over here, if you go on strike, you don't get paid.  That way going on strike is a last resort for something that is very important to the workers.  Although some union leaders still call strikes over the most pathetic things  :angry:  
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Sales of Airfix kits plummeted in the 1980s, and GCSEs had to be made easier as a result - James May

Ollie

Well over here they are paid on a strike.  The union has a strike fund and they use that.

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Tophe

Let me explain my opinion a little further :
1/ I do not blame every strike, in the private system where a capitalistic rich lazy one exploits hardly efficient workers to have big money for himself and almost nothing for the ones providing it. So the workers' strike means : "hey, if you don't share a little more, we stop enriching you, and firing us out and educating new workers without experience, you will be overcomen by concurrence, and your richness will dye - we take the risk : let us dye together or else share better". This is a last extremity action towards a very selfish owner and I understand, I respect plainly.
2/ When the owner is a democratic government, when the result (income-outcome) is already negative, where concurrence is outlaw, this is completely different : the strike logic does not apply. Requiring less work and more wages/employees just means More taxes from the ones working hard to make positive results and survive, and the strike (without authorised alternative for users) can block absolutely all - the power is absolute, nothing can be refused : even paid strikes. Communist unions agree on that as they want companies to dye or run away abroad, all being done here by government employees, but that leads to East-Europe destition of the past : if effort is not rewarded, almost no reason to work hard anymore, and a terrific police is needed for all people still go to work... I understand it is comfortable to have capitalistic wages with a communist easy way of working, but profiting from this situation is bad according to me, as you require from others (as client after working hours) the effort you refuse for yourself (at work)...
I am not a fan of Maggie Thatcher nor Ronald Reagan, but some strikes deserved to be broken, I think. Rich capitalists are not the only bad people on Earth... And that is not so far from aviation : remember Reagan's war with air-controllers... The best way is the German one according to me : strike is outlaw for government employees, legal for people under private overpressure.
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Ollie

The way Reagan dealt with the controllers strike is just excellent.  Cleared everyone, put the Air Force in charge and had the guys re-apply for their jobs again.  Lots of them moved to Canada and still work here for Nav Canada!

:D  

Captain Canada

CANADA KICKS arse !!!!

Long Live the Commonwealth !!!
Vive les Canadiens !
Where's my beer ?

nev

Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head - like I said, the strike should be the last resort of a workforce driven to despair.
Between almost-true and completely-crazy, there is a rainbow of nice shades - Tophe


Sales of Airfix kits plummeted in the 1980s, and GCSEs had to be made easier as a result - James May

Tophe

QuoteAnd you can retire here in Canada after only three years.....with FULL pension ! If you're a politcian, that is........and not three 'human' years either, three of those work 3 months, take 3 off years !
Here in France, politicians are "more honnest"  :)  (joke) : they retire with full pension after 5 years of work, not 3, and only if they pay double amount to the pension system.
... but they have decided to increase their wages to pay for this double amount, just like they have decided that 5 years is enough for them while 40 years are required for the others.  :angry:  And it is an absolute shame, when you hear them : "most of the people want us to be rich and lazy, of course, as this is our opinion and we are representing the people, as being elected"... And all politicians agree, from liberals to communists, to have big money this way from the tax-payers (that must pay or go to prison), they are just fighting to know who will get it... You cannot vote for the others next time as a punishment : the others will do exactly the same.
It is awfull. Is the only choice between a democracy like that and a dictator like Hitler or Saddam ?
Maybe the wise way is Switzerland's : the law says that the people can require a vote and decide on anything between 2 elections, so politicians are not free to do what they want as soon as they are elected, they can be fired out and condemned severely.
I prefer democrats than dictators, but I prefer to buy aircraft models and books rather than taxes...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

nev

As Churchill said

"it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time"

:D  
Between almost-true and completely-crazy, there is a rainbow of nice shades - Tophe


Sales of Airfix kits plummeted in the 1980s, and GCSEs had to be made easier as a result - James May