Twin Jet Mustang

Sauragnmon · August 29, 2009, 11:05:41 AM

Alright, I have to agree with the crowd - very Me-262 looking. The only way to treat that baby though is to give her the real colours that would stand her out against the Luftwffe - NMF!

Ed S · August 29, 2009, 11:54:31 AM

I'm inclined to go with NMF. But that means a lot more work getting the surface smooth and shiney...

Ed

thedarkmaster · August 29, 2009, 12:11:08 PM

I seem to have missed this, very nice

and i agree does look like a 262 . If your going NMF how about invasion stripes as an identification means ?

Tophe · August 29, 2009, 12:18:13 PM

Congratulations, Ed

sequoiaranger · August 30, 2009, 08:23:27 AM

The straight wings and jet pods is more reminiscent of a He-280 than a 262. That's not a bad thing, IMHO---I really like the He-280 and it SHOULD HAVE BEEN the Luftwaffe's first jet fighter. The 262 was more advanced. So what I would like to see is the JetStang up against the He-280 and then the P-80 up against the 262!

jcf · August 30, 2009, 08:20:59 PM

Quote from: sequoiaranger on August 30, 2009, 08:23:27 AM
The straight wings and jet pods is more reminiscent of a He-280 than a 262. That's not a bad thing, IMHO---I really like the He-280 and it SHOULD HAVE BEEN the Luftwaffe's first jet fighter. The 262 was more advanced. So what I would like to see is the JetStang up against the He-280 and then the P-80 up against the 262!

I suppose if one wants to pedantic the He 280 was their first jet fighter and the 262 their first jet interceptor as from all accounts the He 280 was much more maneuverable. Evidently with the same available power the 280 was faster in level flight, had a higher rate of climb and a higher ceiling. The biggest problems were a shorter range due to smaller size and some problems with tail flutter.

Personally I've long felt that the Heinkel decision to use a twin-tail on the He 280 was a mistake.

Sauragnmon · August 30, 2009, 08:40:22 PM

The twin tail isn't too bad of a concept, if you think about it, on the early jet layout, but to me, the way it's elevated like that is questionable - a straight join more like the 110 would have likely not been so prone to flutter. That, and it would have been removed with further tests, flutter's too often a teething problem that can be worked out, not a kill on a project in itself.

I'm thinking a Jet Tony would look pretty damn cool, thinking about this all...

Captain Canada · August 30, 2009, 09:42:25 PM

She's really ticking along nicely now !

jcf · August 30, 2009, 10:19:55 PM

Quote from: Sauragnmon on August 30, 2009, 08:40:22 PM
The twin tail isn't too bad of a concept, if you think about it, on the early jet layout, but to me, the way it's elevated like that is questionable - a straight join more like the 110 would have likely not been so prone to flutter. That, and it would have been removed with further tests, flutter's too often a teething problem that can be worked out, not a kill on a project in itself.

Actually its very bad from a drag standpoint as aircraft speed increases and an anachronism that some designers hung onto well past its sell-by-date.

Evidently the flutter problem, combined with the range issue and some other minor issues, was enough of an excuse for the RLM.

The He 219 would probably also have been better off with a single tail.

Anyhoo, back to the Mustang, personally I find it reminiscent of a mash-up between the P-59, the Metrovick powered Meteor prototype F2/40 and a pulp magazine cover. Multiple layers of cool.

Jon

Tophe · August 31, 2009, 08:07:05 PM

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on August 30, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
Actually its very bad from a drag standpoint as aircraft speed increases and an anachronism that some designers hung onto well past its sell-by-date.

Dassault sellers said just that, to reject F-14/15/18 concurrents: "twin-fins are stupid, dragging, heavy, we are the best". Commercial lies I think (even if education here in France tells us Dassault is the best in the World). Well, what if I love this Jet-Mustang

not because it is objectively better to kill opponents but because it is so beautiful to me...

jcf · August 31, 2009, 10:45:32 PM

Quote from: Tophe on August 31, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on August 30, 2009, 10:19:55 PM
Actually its very bad from a drag standpoint as aircraft speed increases and an anachronism that some designers hung onto well past its sell-by-date.
Dassault sellers said just that, to reject F-14/15/18 concurrents: "twin-fins are stupid, dragging, heavy, we are the best". Commercial lies I think (even if education here in France tells us Dassault is the best in the World). Well, what if I love this Jet-Mustang not because it is objectively better to kill opponents but because it is so beautiful to me...

Tophe my statement is addressed towards 1940s technology and is not relevant to modern aircraft, they are completely different animals from aerodynamic and technological standpoints.

Brian da Basher · September 02, 2009, 02:19:25 PM

Holy smokes, Ed, you've got a real winner there! It reminds you of so many different famous aircraft that you can't help but think it's real! You have achieved the pinnacle of whiffery! Many will be fooled by this beauty and I agree with GTX that using the Airacomet scheme (maybe even with red-outlined 1943 U.S. markings?) would be the icing on the cake.

Brian da Basher

sotoolslinger · September 02, 2009, 03:56:50 PM

This is a great design

Beautiful

anthonyp · September 02, 2009, 07:39:01 PM

Oh, wow! That is one mod I've never thought of before, but it looks natural! Really nice.

May have missed it, but how you intend to finish it up? NMF? Camo?

Looking forward to seeing this one completed!

Mossie · September 03, 2009, 03:29:58 AM

I mis-read the title, thought it said 'Jet Twin Mustang', maybe a future project, eh!!! Looking good Ed!