Those Garish Fw-190's ??

[sequoiaranger]

You know, the ones that were orbiting the Me-262 bases to keep away Allied fighters preying on the unwieldly jets.

I have been trying (to no avail) to view drawings or color photos of the ones painted with the red undersides and white stripes (I think).

Clue me in.....PLEASE

[Maverick]

From what I've read, they were known as the Papagei Staffel and were primarily protecting JV44's 262s.  EagleCals do a decal sheet.

http://www.eagle-editions.com/decal14.htm

http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/fw190d932jv44cw_1.htm

Regards,

Mav

[sequoiaranger]

Mav--ya done it!

Your second link had a great pic of the Fw-190 turned over. I was pretty sure I knew what to expect, but that confirmed it!

Thanks.

Look for that "look" on the He-1062 "Newt"'s undersides!! (1946 GB)

[NARSES2]

Academy do a boxing of their Fw 190D in Papagei Staffel markings

[The Wooksta!]

So do Tamiya with their 190D.

I had this argument with C-FKWT many years ago but I'll rehash it.

The early jets, particularly the German ones, didn't have quick responsive throttles and thus were particularly vulnerable on landing - they couldn't just open up and go round again.  So, piston engined fighters were used for top cover.  Your Newt, although it's a prop, still has one of those early engines as it's core, so I doubt it'd have the throttle response - if anything, with all the gearing for the contraprop it may be even worse - so it's really a none starter as an airfield defender.

[Okwaho]

The undersurfaces of JV44's ("Galland's Zirkus") three Dora-9s and two Dora-11s were painted red, then received the white stripes, which were unevenly spaced and varied in width. Thus, no two aircraft had the exact same pattern.

The term Papageinstaffel was not used during the war, nor did the unit have an official title or name. Papagei (parrot) was, however, used as a radio call sign, along with Elefant. Platzschutzstaffel is the formal term meaning "Field Protection Flight."

[The Wooksta!]

IIRC, the undersides were painted red (one or two may have been black) first and the stripes were simply white tape.  There's a photograph of a wrecked one post war and the white stripes are literally hanging off.

[sequoiaranger]

Yes, I am aware that poor throttle response was the bane of those early jets, and most likely any derived propjet, too. The jet engines under development at the end of the war were much better in that respect, but still slow to respond. When I first posted that my He-1062 would be one of those "Papagei" aircraft, I was thinking of the justification of the underside color of the Alpine Newt, but my mind also played with the ramifications and concluded the same as you---the "Newt" wouldn't be good at stooging around an airfield and "ramming it to the firewall" when an enemy aircraft appeared.

So the current justification is that because the ground-gunners would be trigger-happy, and the Newt's distinctive configuration resembled the American P-38, that the red undersides and white striping would indicate a "don't shoot" aircraft regardless of mission (and I edited the Newt's backstory post appropriately).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!  


PS---thanks to all who responded.

[The Wooksta!]

Fair enough.

At least you're thinking about it.  Most people (including many here, sadly) simply think "that's a cool idea" but don't think about precisely *why* things were done a certain way and never think about the ramifications. 

[GTX]

Most people (including many here, sadly) simply think "that's a cool idea" but don't think about precisely *why* things were done a certain way and never think about the ramifications. 

And exactly why should "that's a cool idea" be something bad?  After all, isn't the hobby about having fun?

Greg

[ChernayaAkula]

And exactly why should "that's a cool idea" be something bad?  After all, isn't the hobby about having fun?

Quoted for truth!
Getting things technically/historically correct can be fun in its own right, but that's a personal decision.

[NARSES2]

Getting things technically/historically correct can be fun in its own right, but that's a personal decision.

Very, very much so 

[Weaver]

Here's a decal sheet, new into Hannants, which features a differently garish Fw190:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/EAG32134

That's in 1/32nd, but they do it in 1/48th and 1/72nd too.

[Gondor]

Here's a decal sheet, new into Hannants, which features a differently garish Fw190:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/EAG32134

That's in 1/32nd, but they do it in 1/48th and 1/72nd too.

Those are Ta 152's which is as close to a Fw 190 as an F/A-18C/D is to a F/A-18E/F/G

Nice markings though 

Gondor