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Real World Aircraft that have raided the spare parts bin

Started by McColm, December 29, 2014, 11:00:25 AM

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McColm

There was a proposed turboprop version using the GE TG-100 (XT31) on the B-32 airframe. Further tests reveal the powerplants did not live up to their predicted performance of 2,300hp, only reaching 1,700hp. 
There was a twin engine illustration of the Model 33 dated around the time of the first flight of the XB-32 with a single tail from a B-29, probably using Pratt & Whitney R-4360 engines.
Commercial studies were carried out and even fitting the nose of the XC-99 to the fuselage of a B-32 and B-29 tail fin, with large forward-fuselage side cargo doors.

Notes taken from the Convair Advanced Designs by Robert E. Bradley book.

kitnut617

Quote from: rickshaw on January 01, 2015, 07:37:52 PM

Going from descriptions of their other kits, they used mixed media - vacuform for the fuselage wings and injection moulded for the "fiddly bits" such as landing gear, engines, etc.  Which IMO is a much better way of doing it than trying to do those things in vacuform.  Pity they're OOP of though, they had some interesting subjects. 

Not all of them Brian, the 1/72 Goodyear F2G-1 Super Corsair I've got of theirs is all injection.
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Old Wombat

The point is many, if not most, proof-of-concept & initial prototype aircraft use parts from earlier aircraft to save time & money. Once the concept is proven & shown to fulfill its function, then the designers & manufacturers get around to tooling specific parts for the aircraft, some "borrowed" parts pass the whole process & are kept on the final production aircraft because they do the job as well as or better than anything else.
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maxmwill

Didn't the B-29 use the same wing as the that B-314 Clipper, which was itself taken from, with some mods, the B-15?

And then there was the Nakajima G5N, which Douglas sold(as would a greasy-looking used car salesman named Bubba, who has a lot out back of the barn just outside of town, there being more than a few of those here in Kentucky) as a way to unload their white elephant, the DC4E.

maxmwill

Quote from: McColm on January 02, 2015, 05:37:11 AM
There was a proposed turboprop version using the GE TG-100 (XT31) on the B-32 airframe. Further tests reveal the powerplants did not live up to their predicted performance of 2,300hp, only reaching 1,700hp. 
There was a twin engine illustration of the Model 33 dated around the time of the first flight of the XB-32 with a single tail from a B-29, probably using Pratt & Whitney R-4360 engines.
Commercial studies were carried out and even fitting the nose of the XC-99 to the fuselage of a B-32 and B-29 tail fin, with large forward-fuselage side cargo doors.

Notes taken from the Convair Advanced Designs by Robert E. Bradley book.

Didn't something like that end up being produced? That almost sounds like the C124, or maybe I'm thinking in the wrong direction.

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kitnut617

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Quote from: McColm on January 02, 2015, 05:37:11 AM

Commercial studies were carried out and even fitting the nose of the XC-99 to the fuselage of a B-32 and B-29 tail fin, with large forward-fuselage side cargo doors.


OK, a B-32 is almost the same size as a B-29 (it was the back up design if the B-29 failed), a B-29 is half the size of the B-36, the XC-99 is a bigger fuselaged B-36 (it has a double-decker fuselage). how would they fit a nose of the XC-99 onto the B-32



In fact, if you go back to Reply #34 in this thread, you'll see a photo of the B-32 fitted with a B-29 fin/rudder, it shows that the B-32 is actually a bit smaller than the B-29

If you're referring to this below, it most definitely does not have a XC-99 nose

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/VanTilborg/2932L.jpg
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McColm

There's an artist sketch of the B-32 , with a tail that looks very similar to the B-29. The fuselage is wider and longer and a rounded nose in similar fashion of the XC-99 and had a large forward-fuselage side cargo doors. The image is held at the San Diego Air and Space Museum or can be found on page 150 of Robert E. Bradleys' book " Convair Advanced Designs, Secret Projects from San Diego 1923-1962".

McColm

The XB-36 (Model 36) intercontinental bomber was considered as a transport and commercial passenger versions before the XC-99 (Model 37) was even built.
A slimmer, more streamlined model with twin tails.
The design studies evolved into a single tail fin, front and rear loading ramps, and two decks.

famvburg

ISTR seeing the B-32 transport drawing. I doubt seriously that they put the XC-99 nose on it 'cause it won't fit, but IIRC, the whole thing was similar to Consolidated's Privateer-derived R2Y.

kitnut617

See the link in my reply (post #51), not the photo, the link
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McColm

There's a vacformed 1/72 kit of the Convair B-32 Dominator starting price at £84 on eBay.

The Sea Harrier pinched parts off the Harrier GR3.
Then there's the Tu-95, loads of spinoffs in military and civilian usage.
Likewise the Tu-16 Badger.