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Stealth display

Started by seadude, March 31, 2013, 06:45:14 PM

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: pyro-manic on November 12, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
There are also other interesting experimental designs, for example the EE Canberra that had radar-absorbing paint applied.

Funnily enough the guy who actually applied the radar absorbing paint to the test Canberra visited the SIG stand at Telford at the weekend.

Apparently the guys at the Royal Radar Establishment at Pershore had been working on the idea for a long time and the Canberra was the first aircraft to be given the 'full treatment'. I've seen a pic of that Canberra somewhere, but can I find it now? Can I thump!  :banghead:
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sandiego89

I agree with pyro and leave out the fictional stuff like the F-19 and UFO's, and the stuff that happened to have a low RCS (Horton, B-35/49, etc)
The U-2 had some low RCS paint etc, but don't think it fits the theme. 

A table with no back drop or a simple backdrop is best.  Shelves and hanging gets to gimmicky and makes it tough to look up close.  I opine that date of first flight (or float) left to right is a good presentation of advances in stealth.  Small in front, larger ships/aircraft in back.
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seadude

I was thinking of grouping things like:
a) Historical stealth, i.e. - Horten 229, XB-35, YB-49, etc.
b) Early stealth: i.e. - U-2, SR-71, Have Blue, F-117, etc.
c) Modern stealth: i.e. - F-22, YF-23, Pak-50, B-2, etc.
d) UAV/UCAV's:  D-21 drone, X-47B, etc.
e) Rumored stealth: i.e. - Brilliant Buzzard, Aurora, TR-3, etc.
f) Stealth type ships: i.e. - La Fayette, VISBY class, Freedom LCS, etc.
g) Fictional stealth: i.e. - F-19, Mig-37B, etc.

I realise some items like the Horten 229, U-2, XB-35, etc. may not be "pure" stealth so to speak. But they are the "stepping stones or grandfathers" that led up to newer generations of stealth aircraft and technology. Even if they didn't have much, if any, stealth capabilities, their designs revolutionised future aircraft to come. Therefor, I think they deserve to be included in whatever display I have.

The Fictional Stealth category is items that don't actually exist, but are items born of people's imagination and creativity that had perhaps some influence (In whatever way) in current stealth aircraft and technology. For example: Before there was a F-117 model kit or any actual photos, etc. of the F-117, there was a F-19 stealth fighter kit from Monogram and Testors.
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pyro-manic

Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 12, 2014, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: pyro-manic on November 12, 2014, 11:25:07 AM
There are also other interesting experimental designs, for example the EE Canberra that had radar-absorbing paint applied.

Funnily enough the guy who actually applied the radar absorbing paint to the test Canberra visited the SIG stand at Telford at the weekend.

Apparently the guys at the Royal Radar Establishment at Pershore had been working on the idea for a long time and the Canberra was the first aircraft to be given the 'full treatment'. I've seen a pic of that Canberra somewhere, but can I find it now? Can I thump!  :banghead:

There's one small photo in (IIRC) BSP4, but I don't have access to my copy at the moment to check. I hope that there are more pictures out there somewhere - it's one of those things that should have been quite extensively documented, but that hasn't really come to light (at least not on the internet!).
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TsrJoe

The stuff you mentioned Kit was a thin rubber sheet coating developed by Boulton Paul and known as 'DX3'. Initially applied to a Balliol to test its suitability re air resistance etc. 'proper' trials were carried out on a Canberra aircraft which had extensive areas of the airframe coveted in the material as well as having ir shielded exhausts ;)

a 'google search' onlinefor DX3 Canberra might yield results  :wacko:

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PR19_Kit

After much 'going around the houses' after trying Joe's DX3 clue I found this.  :thumbsup:

Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

seadude

If you go back and read Post # 9 in this thread, you'll see I have quite a few stealth type ships listed. I'm wondering: Should I add submarines too? Such as the USS Seawolf and/or USS Virginia classes?
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lenny100

#22
If your going for subs all nuclear boats are far from stealthy too

many pumps making noise, the best are the German u  class electric boats from the 1980s and the British U class from the 1990 which the Canadians have now both so quite it was easier to find the hole they make in the background noise than them
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kitbasher

Quote from: PR19_Kit on November 13, 2014, 02:38:44 AM
After much 'going around the houses' after trying Joe's DX3 clue I found this.  :thumbsup:



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Quote from: lenny100 on November 15, 2014, 06:05:39 PM
If your going for subs all nuclear boats are far from stealthy too

many pumps making noise, the best are the German u  class electric boats from the 1980s and the British U class from the 1990 which the Canadians have now both so quite it was easier to find the hole they make in the background noise than them

To an extent, every submarine is intended to be stealthy, it's just focused on their acoustic signature rather than their radar signature. So subs don't really fit in with the theme of the collection. Now there have been some developments in making the sub's masts more (radar) stealthy, but the usual submarine scale is too small to show this well. 

seadude

Had to gravedig my own topic as I have another question. ;)

Are there any other 1/144 or 1/72 model kits of UAV's, UCAV's, or other drones available? I already have the following, but am searching for more stuff.
Lockheed RQ-170 (More of a toy really than a model.)
Northrop X-47B
Lockheed D-21 drone

Is there anything else?
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.