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Habakkuk: More American than British design?

Started by seadude, March 11, 2016, 12:20:09 PM

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seadude

As some people may remember from long ago, I built and posted about a 1/700 scale HMS Habakkuk ship model on these forums.
As I did research for that past model project, a lot of the historical design of the Habakkuk was from British eccentric inventor Geoffrey Pyke. Therefore, the Habakkuk is a British design and a British ship. But in recent days and weeks as I've done more research about Habakkuk in future preparation for construction of a 1/350 scale model, I can't help but wonder if the Habakkuk would be thought of as more of an American/Canadian design/ship rather than a British one.
If WWII had gone on longer and if events had changed to the point where Habakkuk was to be built and used, then it would've been built by the Americans and Canadians as those two countries had more resources to build the Habakkuk than what Britain did. According to the book "Code Name Habakkuk: A Secret Ship of Ice", the Habakkuk was to be built in Corner Brook, Newfoundland, Canada. If that truly was the case, which I believe it to be, then wouldn't it make sense to just ship extra American weapons and other carrier systems up the American east coast from American shipyards to Corner Brook to be used on the Habakkuk? After all, why have British armament and/or other systems shipped from Britain, or have American factories retooled to produce British stuff, when instead the Habakkuk can just use already existing American stuff? Seems a lot more sensible and efficient to me. And what would a American/Canadian Habakkuk ship use? Well, the original British plan was to try and get a Habakkuk ship constructed sometime in 1943, and have it operational by late 1944 or early 1945. Taking this into account, I think the Habakkuk could have benefitted from using already existing weapons and other systems being designed and used on the American ESSEX class aircraft carriers being built during WWII. Everything such as, but not limited to: Armament, Radars, Aircraft elevators, Gun directors, Flight deck catapults and arresting gear, etc., etc.  The ESSEX class carriers were the latest design from America and were quite formidable in battle.
So what do others think? Is the Habakkuk more American than British?
For those who want to learn more about Project Habakkuk, I created the following group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Project.Habakkuk.Research.Group/
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PR19_Kit

Does it actually matter?  :unsure:

It was an amazing idea, and your model was equally amazing, but I'm not sure that the origins of the never-built ship are that vital to our understanding of it.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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seadude

Well, it was just something I was curious about. I mean, would British folks still go along with Project Habakkuk if it had been built and certain design features were more American than British, or would they see it as a slap in the face so to speak that a British design was "hijacked" by the Americans and American military systems were used on the ship instead?
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

jcf

If the war had gone sideways enough that something like Habakkuk was needed I doubt that the Brits would
have given a damn that it was built in North America/US with locally available equipment/systems as long
as it worked.

Any whinging about copying that might have occured would only have happened decades later and come from a
minority subset of anoraks.  :banghead:

kerick

All in how its presented.
"A great example of US, British and Allied cooperation!"
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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NARSES2

Quote from: kerick on March 11, 2016, 04:57:34 PM
All in how its presented.
"A great example of US, British and Allied cooperation!"

Yup  :thumbsup:

In my view it would have been a British concept which was then refined and constructed in the US/Canada because they had the resources. Happened quite a lot through the years. Someone comes up with a concept and someone else takes it up and runs with it simply because they are in a better place to do so.
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