What colour?

Started by rickshaw, June 17, 2017, 11:35:23 PM

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NARSES2

Quote from: Old Wombat on June 22, 2017, 04:48:04 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on June 21, 2017, 06:56:00 AM
That cartoon is wonderful Scoot  ;D :bow: It probably simplifies the female side however  ;)

This in a thread where we're discussing the intricacies of a shade of blue? :unsure:



True. I'll go and stand in the corner  :angel:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

TallEng

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BTW, I thought I'd ask this same question over at Britmodeller as I know Canberra Kid is quite a mine of Canberra information.   He suggested that it was:
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It's nether of those two colours, the English Electric A.1 was painted in, as was the fashion in the British Aircraft industry at that time, a non standard colour colloquially known as "Petter Blue" described as being a "sky blue". This colour has disappeared into history but all is not lost! Petter Blue reappeared on another of English Electrics very fine products, this time Deltic prototype DP.1 Preserved at the National Rail Museum York, and even better, a colour mach paint is available from a company called Rail Match Paints Deltic prototype blue  . If you fancy having a go at the A.1 there are quite a few mods to look out for.   
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The only trouble with that Deltic blue colour is that Deltic was repainted when it was preserved/presented To the science museum and the colour it's in now is a 'tad' darker than the original.....
And I always understood that cerulean Blue (often quoted for the undersides of the RAF's Sabres) is in fact another name for P.R.U. Blue?
Still if it's a whiff.... Why worry about RLM/FS/BS colours just pick a nice one ;D
And wasn't it Ian Huntley who suggested the use of scale colours? Which (I think) meant you should lighten the colour you were using to allow for scale distance or something? (Another can of worms no doubt)  :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: TallEng on June 26, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
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The only trouble with that Deltic blue colour is that Deltic was repainted when it was preserved/presented To the science
museum and the colour it's in now is a 'tad' darker than the original.....


How does he know that? I've learnt to my cost that you can't believe a word that the Science Museum and its outposts declare, especially with regard to railway items.  :banghead:

It MAY have been that DP1's colour may have faded during its time in service and the Science Museum repainted it in the correct colour, but I suspect they just used whatever they had to hand.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

TallEng

Quote from: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2017, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: TallEng on June 26, 2017, 08:52:09 AM
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The only trouble with that Deltic blue colour is that Deltic was repainted when it was preserved/presented To the science
museum and the colour it's in now is a 'tad' darker than the original.....


How does he know that? I've learnt to my cost that you can't believe a word that the Science Museum and its outposts declare, especially with regard to railway items.  :banghead:

It MAY have been that DP1's colour may have faded during its time in service and the Science Museum repainted it in the correct colour, but I suspect they just used whatever they had to hand.

Actually Kit it was me that knowed that, in that I'd seen it written down somewhere in relation to Bachmann's* (many) limited editions of DP1 that have been produced i.e. As preserved, as running on the mainline etc. (I believe it was E.E. That tarted it up before presenting/giving to the science museum)

Regards
Keith
*maker of fine OO gauge British outline trains/Locomotives (and American HO)
The British have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved". Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross". Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the Blitz in 1940 when tea supplies ran out for three weeks

PR19_Kit

That's fine, but my comment about the possible fading still holds good.

Paint colours, certainly in the railway world, do not seem to be held as gospel. In my own experience the wide blue stripe along the APT-E wasn't BR Blue. For some bizarre reason they ordered a different, but very close blue, from a different manufacturer even though there were gallons of real BR Blue available in the Engineering test Hall at the RTC.

Since then the stripe has been repainted in its entirety twice and some parts of it three times. In those cases the NRM painted it once in whatever blue they happened to have to hand, and the second two occasions were done in real BR Blue, which means the train's not 'authentic' any more, but it looks 'right'.

When I was helping Rapido with their OO gauge model of the train they wanted to know what the original colour was, but there's no way I, nor anyone else, could tell them, so their model is done in a Chinese version of BR Blue, which may or may not be correct.

It's all a huge minefield.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

Knowing the ways of the British Railway Industry I suspect that if they had looked hard enough they would have found someone with some of the "correct" blue in his shed as he'd painted his front door with it.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

NARSES2

Quote from: zenrat on June 27, 2017, 03:55:37 AM
Knowing the ways of the British Railway Industry I suspect that if they had looked hard enough they would have found someone with some of the "correct" blue in his shed as he'd painted his front door with it.

We had lots of things at home when I was a kid painted in B.R. Green and latter B.R. Blue. Dad worked for B.R.  ;) So even those in the office could lay their hands on the stuff  :angel:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

zenrat

ISTR a certain Southern Region Crane Repair Depot where at least one car got a repaint at the same time as an item of engineering rolling stock.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

PR19_Kit

When my Dad was in charge of the MT Section at RAF Benson, among other areas there, our car, a pre-war Austin 14 or 16, somehow ended up painted two tone grey and black.

Amazingly it matched the shade of the MT garage doors EXACTLY........
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

NARSES2

Quote from: zenrat on June 28, 2017, 04:33:51 AM
ISTR a certain Southern Region Crane Repair Depot where at least one car got a repaint at the same time as an item of engineering rolling stock.

Similar things happened at British Steel plants prior to privatisation (probably NCB sites as well) and at some of the coating works there was a superb range of colours available a lot of which were to the car and house hold appliance manufacturer's specs  :angel:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.