Replacement for the Typhoon

[McColm]

The Minister for Defence has announced yesterday that the replacement for the Eurofighter Typhoon will be the new Tempest.
The Tempest reminds me of the F-22 and that Japanese prototype that resembles the F-18.
Across the Channel the French and Germans are developing their own fighter to replace the Typhoon & Rafael.
This opens up many whiffing ideas.

[NARSES2]

I think the best that can be said about the MOD announcement would be "the intended replacement for the Typhoon fighter aircraft would be something similar to the concept we are unveiling today".

And even that needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt and regarded as the MOD's first shots in what will be a very long war with HM Treasury.

I will say nothing else 

[Rheged]

Regret I must agree with Narses!  There's going to be a lot of paper expended in brochures and proposals before any metal/carbon fibre gets cut.

....and this is the BBC report

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44848294

[Doug K]

I think the best that can be said about the MOD announcement would be "the intended replacement for the Typhoon fighter aircraft would be something similar to the concept we are unveiling today".

And even that needs to be taken with a huge pinch of salt and regarded as the MOD's first shots in what will be a very long war with HM Treasury.

I will say nothing else 

Yeah, it's a whiff

[jcf]

"Mr Williamson said the programme was aimed at ensuring the UK's continued leadership in fighter technology and control of air space in future combat:"

Perhaps he meant restore rather than continue.

"Mr Williamson said the programme was aimed at restoring the UK's leadership in fighter technology and control of air space in future combat:"

There fixed it.

[Snowtrooper]

"The hope is to see it flying by 2035" roughly translates to "becomes operational in the 2050s at the earliest".

[NARSES2]

"Mr Williamson said the programme was aimed at restoring the UK's leadership in fighter technology and control of air space in future combat:"

Jon to be honest I wouldn't even go that far, but then we are straying into the minefield that is politics  Even the economics is pure fairyland. 

[Weaver]

It'll be a technology demonstrator program aimed at showing that we're 'qualified' to be part of some collaborative future project, either with the Europeans or the Americans.

[PR19_Kit]

It'll be a technology demonstrator program aimed at showing that we're 'qualified' to be part of some collaborative future project, either with the Europeans or the Americans.

A much more likely explanation than that load of rubbish spouted out by the Minister of Defence, who is after all a politician................... 

[Nick]

It'll be a technology demonstrator program aimed at showing that we're 'qualified' to be part of some collaborative future project, either with the Europeans or the Americans.

That was my very thought when I heard it. Like the German Lampyridae and the BAe Replica projects, we will show off what we can do by ourselves and sell the workable parts into an international program. This is what happened for the F-35.
Right now we are looking at the French-German fighter project but I can see the possibility of us (BAe) partnering up with Asian or Indian teams.

[McColm]

I hope that a westernised version of the new Su-57 will be the replacement. As this would cut down the cost of development. The engines and avionics would need changing and a two seater variant be built as well.
Perhaps a naval variant, although one has been seen on a Russian aircraft carrier, it's not known whether that was just for publicity or carrying out trials.
I'm not too sure whether the Su-57 would fit in the hangers on board HMS Queen Elizabeth or if it is too big to operate from the carrier.
Probably end up buying them under licence from. India.

[Snowtrooper]

I hope that a westernised version of the new Su-57 will be the replacement. As this would cut down the cost of development. The engines and avionics would need changing and a two seater variant be built as well.
Perhaps a naval variant, although one has been seen on a Russian aircraft carrier, it's not known whether that was just for publicity or carrying out trials.
I'm not too sure whether the Su-57 would fit in the hangers on board HMS Queen Elizabeth or if it is too big to operate from the carrier.
Probably end up buying them under licence from. India.

You do know that this April India pulled out of the 57-based FGFA joint project they had with Sukhoi, because Sukhoi's ego was writing checks their corporate body couldn't cash? HAL is not ruling out of returning to the project once there is an operational version in serial production, but until (if ever) that happens, they got fed up with broken promises, endless delays, and massive cost overruns. The plane is not doing what it was supposed to for the foreseeable future.

Su-57 seems to be a technology demonstrator masquerading as an operational fighter. At least it actually flies unlike Iran's Qaher-313 bigature model kit (and is apparently able to launch weapons), but for example the engine intakes are decidedly totally non-stealthy what with the fan face clearly visible, so a structural and aerodynamical redesign would have to take place to make it a genuine stealth warplane. Never mind that the plane has had (and still has) enough technical problems to make F-35 development look like cakewalk, but badmouthing Su-57 is not a meme like badmouthing F-35 and Russia Today is not parroting those either (gee, I wonder why?).

Also, there have been 300+ F-35's built already versus the 10 prototypes of Su-57, and the unit cost of F-35 is already lower.