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Supermarine Seafire Mk 47 RAN FAA

Started by zenrat, July 19, 2020, 04:09:10 AM

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on July 21, 2020, 06:25:04 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 21, 2020, 02:27:42 AM

Thanks Kit.  IIRC Spit 21/Seafire 45 were high back fuselages. 

Yup

Does my name change mean I have to start wearing a hat ? ;)  :angel:


Hehehe. You want to borrow one? I have a few spares..............  ;D
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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 21, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 21, 2020, 06:25:04 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 21, 2020, 02:27:42 AM

Thanks Kit.  IIRC Spit 21/Seafire 45 were high back fuselages. 

Yup

Does my name change mean I have to start wearing a hat ? ;)  :angel:


Hehehe. You want to borrow one? I have a few spares..............  ;D

It's o.k. Kit I've got one very similar to one of yours I use if it's chucking it down  ;D
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Quote from: zenrat on July 22, 2020, 04:58:06 AM

:banghead:

How embarrassing.


No worries Fred (Strine mode off....   ;)) we're all very friendly here after all.  ;D ;D
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

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Quote from: zenrat on July 22, 2020, 04:58:06 AM
:banghead:

How embarrassing.

No probs mate, probably trying to do 2/3 things at once mate  ;)

Mind you it's even more embarrassing when you spend a couple of hours chatting with someone and as you say goodbye they go "oh, by the way my names ............ not .........".  The height of politeness to ignore the fact someone has your name wrong, or just waiting until the moment is right ?  :angel: 
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Quote from: PR19_Kit on July 21, 2020, 06:29:44 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on July 21, 2020, 06:25:04 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 21, 2020, 02:27:42 AM

Thanks Kit.  IIRC Spit 21/Seafire 45 were high back fuselages. 

Yup

Does my name change mean I have to start wearing a hat ? ;)  :angel:


Hehehe. You want to borrow one? I have a few spares..............  ;D

Surely he's already got his moderator's hat..........
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Quote from: zenrat on July 20, 2020, 02:53:07 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but it looks like you can build Spitfire Marks 22 & 24 or Seafire Marks 46 & 47 from the one box.  I am about to order a second one as I want to build an NMF Spit 22.

As you've already discovered, you're wrong.  SH went down the Eduard route of giving standard sprues for all the detail parts and specific sprues for the fuselage and wing.  The F21 can be done as a 45 with the bits in the box, you'd just have to find the decals.  The 46 came with a spare FR47 fuselage for the FR46.  I have all the SH kits and regret it now, largely because of the shape issues with the wing and the fuselage length and width (it's decidedly fat).  And given the kit's heritage with regards to the Xtrakit 22 (it's an early version, I suspect that they all have some fit issues. 

Using the 47 kit to do a 22 is largely impossible without serious surgery to the wing blisters (and you've got to ignore the shape issues with the wing too, not to mention that stupid collar on the guns which a cursory examination of photos of 20 series airframes would have told the idiots at SH that they didn't exist).

I've said as such in the stash thread, but whiffy alternates are available - Spitfires with the naval wing mods for use on rough or unprepared strips with the strengthened u/c.  Or just do it as a Swiss one - they did consider Sea Furies as they could fold the wings and hide them in smaller tunnels.

As for the Auster killer.  It works - apart from the cockpit colour as it should be black.  All RN aircraft had black cockpits postwar and the Navy's fetish for this led to the cockpits of older aircraft being repainted as detective work with restored aircraft has proven.  Some late Spitfires produced on the production line at South Marston alongside Seafires had their cockpits painted black rather than Interior Green.
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Nice and subtle changes... great job

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Quote from: The Wooksta! on July 22, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 20, 2020, 02:53:07 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but it looks like you can build Spitfire Marks 22 & 24 or Seafire Marks 46 & 47 from the one box.  I am about to order a second one as I want to build an NMF Spit 22.

As you've already discovered, you're wrong.  SH went down the Eduard route of giving standard sprues for all the detail parts and specific sprues for the fuselage and wing.  The F21 can be done as a 45 with the bits in the box, you'd just have to find the decals.  The 46 came with a spare FR47 fuselage for the FR46.  I have all the SH kits and regret it now, largely because of the shape issues with the wing and the fuselage length and width (it's decidedly fat).  And given the kit's heritage with regards to the Xtrakit 22 (it's an early version, I suspect that they all have some fit issues. 

Using the 47 kit to do a 22 is largely impossible without serious surgery to the wing blisters (and you've got to ignore the shape issues with the wing too, not to mention that stupid collar on the guns which a cursory examination of photos of 20 series airframes would have told the idiots at SH that they didn't exist).

I've said as such in the stash thread, but whiffy alternates are available - Spitfires with the naval wing mods for use on rough or unprepared strips with the strengthened u/c.  Or just do it as a Swiss one - they did consider Sea Furies as they could fold the wings and hide them in smaller tunnels.

As for the Auster killer.  It works - apart from the cockpit colour as it should be black.  All RN aircraft had black cockpits postwar and the Navy's fetish for this led to the cockpits of older aircraft being repainted as detective work with restored aircraft has proven.  Some late Spitfires produced on the production line at South Marston alongside Seafires had their cockpits painted black rather than Interior Green.

Thanks Lee.  I shall ensure I paint all the cockpits on any further RAN FAA  aircraft green to add an extra element of whiff.

As far as your other comments go, i'll refer you to my reply on the stash thread.

Quote from: NARSES2 on July 22, 2020, 06:19:32 AM
Quote from: zenrat on July 22, 2020, 04:58:06 AM
:banghead:

How embarrassing.

No probs mate, probably trying to do 2/3 things at once mate  ;)

Mind you it's even more embarrassing when you spend a couple of hours chatting with someone and as you say goodbye they go "oh, by the way my names ............ not .........".  The height of politeness to ignore the fact someone has your name wrong, or just waiting until the moment is right ?  :angel: 

I correct people immediately if they get it wrong.  Unless I don't like them and I want to embarrass them at the end of the night...
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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