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RN 60 Gun 3rd Rate Ship of the line Circa 1660's

Started by nighthunter, November 05, 2020, 12:39:17 AM

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nighthunter

So, I ended up with a Wappen von Hamburg, repopped as Lindberg's Captain Kidd's Pirate Ship. Recognizing it as not the Adventure Galley, I found the kit's origins as the Wappen von Hamburg. There were several vessels with the name, this kit is a representation of the first vessel to bear the name.

Anyhow, I've been sterilizing the hull to make it fit in the style of Charles II's Royal Navy 3rd Rates. So little is known about a lot of the vessels of that period that I'm trying to come up with a vessel that fits into the period. I need help coming up with a name.

So far, the names that I've found that very few names that fit or aren't already in use in the period. So far the names that I like that are not in use in the period, are:

Avenger
Intrepid
Fearless
Valiant
Reliant
Vengeance
Enterprise
Archer
Inflexible
Thunderchild
Spitfire
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Old Wombat

Do you have a backstory, or even the outline thereof? :unsure:

That can make the naming easier; either something that fits the character of the ship in the story ... or is the polar opposite. :thumbsup:
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tigercat

How about captured from the French originally named Vengeur  now renamed Avenger

NARSES2

Quote from: tigercat on November 05, 2020, 05:16:47 AM
How about captured from the French originally named Vengeur  now renamed Avenger

Sounds plausible, although at the time we were taking a bit of a hiding from the Dutch who were allied with the French and Danes in the second Anglo-Dutch War.
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jcf

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How about captured from the Dutch as the Wappen was built by a Dutch build-master to Dutch
design principles?

The 54 guns and dimensions of the WvH put it right in line with various 3rd rates on the 1689 list.
The 3rds on the listing being built between 1640 and 1680, the majority in the 1670s.

The 5th rate Hunter of 1672 was a Dutch prize, so there's definitely precedent.

tigercat

A lot of third rates seem to be former Dutch prizes


Third rates   
Clove Tree 62 (1665) – a prize, formerly VOC ship Nagelboom, captured from the Dutch, retaken by them 1666
House of Sweeds 70 (1665) – formerly Huis te Zwieten, a prize captured from the Dutch, sunk as a blockship in the Thames 1667
Golden Phoenix 70 (1665) – formerly Geldersche Ruyter, a prize captured from the Dutch, sunk as a blockship in the Thames 1667
Slothany 60 (1665) – formerly Slot Hooningen, a prize captured from the Dutch, hulked 1667, sold 1686
Helverson 60 (1665) – formerly Hilversum, a prize captured from the Dutch in June 1665, sunk as a blockship in the Medway 1667
Cambridge 64 (1666) – wrecked 1694
Warspite 64 (1666) – rebuilt 1702
Defiance 64 (1666) – burned by accident 1668
Rupert 64 (1666) – rebuilt 1703
Resolution 64 (1667) – rebuilt 1698
Monmouth 64 (1667) – rebuilt 1700
Edgar 72 (1668) – rebuilt 1700
Swiftsure 66 (1673) – rebuilt 1696
Harwich 66 (1674) – wrecked 1691
Royal Oak 70 (1674) – rebuilt 1713
Defiance 64 (1675) – rebuilt 1695
Arms of Rotterdam 60 (1674) – a prize captured from the Dutch, hulked 1675, broken up 1703
Montague 62 – built as Lyme in 1654, rebuilt as Montague in 1675 and again rebuilt in

Leading Observer

What Dutch ship names have you looked at, that could be Anglicised?
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buzzbomb

Very interested to see what happens with this.

For some reason in days gone by I was very keen to get an Airfix Royal Sovereign of a similar period. That never happened, but keen to see what you do with this base Pirate kit.

NARSES2

Quote from: tigercat on November 05, 2020, 11:35:21 AM

Defiance 64 (1666) – burned by accident 1668


Just amused me that it was by accident  :rolleyes: and yes I know it could have been burned deliberately as a fireship, but it still amused me on what's not a great day.
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