JMSDF CVDN under construction

[elmayerle]

Hope to see the finished project soon.  I like what you did with the stern of that kit and the superstructure looks quite real as far as the location and the shape.  I have often wondered why the Navy did not create some kind of boat deck with a stern launch ramp on the carriers since there is enough space back there to allow something like that and it would sure make for an effective method of launching and recovering small boats in the protected area at the stern. 

Had a similar idea but using the Iowa class BB with a squared off stern to allow a similar feature with a ramp to allow ingress/egress of amphibious vehicles and small landing craft to support a Marine contingent aboard the battleship that could then be used as a raiding force that would have major naval gunfire support available to allow it to perform some real "shock & awe" missions. 

Doesn't Polmar's book on USN Battleships have a drawing or two of a Iowa-class conversion to add an amphibious capability?  Might be "interesting" to combine with aspects of a FACES II conversion.

[Big Tex Red]

http://www.butteredcat.com/1933roosevelt.htm

Made some remarks on the zubir...this aint my work, i just found it and thought it may be of interest

She's a convered Iowa, seems to be comprable to a modern landing ship dock in terms of capacity, but with thicker armor and 406mm guns.  A net loss bc it looses two tripple 406mm mounts for inhore bombardment.  Nonetheless an interesting idea on the topic of amphibious landings.  Naval power is important, but in the end land wars matter because thats were people live.  There must be some way of makeing seapower work for us on land.

[scififlyer]

Nonetheless an interesting idea on the topic of amphibious landings.  Naval power is important, but in the end land wars matter because thats were people live.  There must be some way of makeing seapower work for us on land.

Naval guns ARE important to land forces, as we saw in Desert Storm; the quickest way to have the enemy retreat 23 miles inland is start lobbing projo's their way! Zero-resistance landings in minutes!

[scififlyer]

I have been toying with the idea of converting my Nichimo 1/200 Yamato, bringing it up to date with a modernization similar to the Iowa's.

I bought the Yamato at a rummage sale, partially (poorly) built, pieces missing. I made back the $50 I paid for it by parting out the smaller bits, making several people really happy as they could complete their Yamato from my former shelf-sitter.

Now, I'd like to re-arm the ship with missles and helis, new electronic and asw warfare suites, repower and convert to r/c. Let's see the ROC/NK's try to come over with one of these babys in the straight! Hopefully no repeat of Leyte Gulf.

Main detraction is there's nothing available in 1/200 scale to rearm the ship with. Every launcher, antenna, deck fitting will have to be scratched. Encouragement and comments?

[elmayerle]

I have been toying with the idea of converting my Nichimo 1/200 Yamato, bringing it up to date with a modernization similar to the Iowa's.

I bought the Yamato at a rummage sale, partially (poorly) built, pieces missing. I made back the $50 I paid for it by parting out the smaller bits, making several people really happy as they could complete their Yamato from my former shelf-sitter.

Now, I'd like to re-arm the ship with missles and helis, new electronic and asw warfare suites, repower and convert to r/c. Let's see the ROC/NK's try to come over with one of these babys in the straight! Hopefully no repeat of Leyte Gulf.

Main detraction is there's nothing available in 1/200 scale to rearm the ship with. Every launcher, antenna, deck fitting will have to be scratched. Encouragement and comments?

Go for it!!  Either do an upgrade along the lines of what was actually done to the Iowa-class or consider a full-out equivalent of the FACES II conversion with a larger hanger deck and fligth deck aft of the superstructure.  I can see going either way here.

[Palpatane]

<Cue the Imperial March>

http://www.ipmsusa.org/Reviews/How_To/Heav...nversion_01.htm

<James Earl Jones Speaking into a SCUBA regulator>

Lengthen the back end deck so we can have a larger Air Wing and landing force.
(overstrength battalion/rump brigade, too small for a Full brigade)

A well deck open to the water will be needed, but the battleship's armor might be for naught because this will make the ship vulnerable to precision hits.  Nonetheless should be able to accomidate some Zubir's to carry heavy armor for the landing force (abrams bradley's).  Airwing should have some C-2 greyhounds and or a baby herc for Airborne and Special Ops components.  Should be able to carry a couple of F-18EF retrofited with AIM-54 for fleet defense

http://www.c-27j.ca/photos-en.html?&page_i...id=11&lang_id=1

These ships will be expensive, so only a few can be built-should have them on station in:

The Medeterainian
Arabian Sea
Indian Ocean/Indonesian Arcapelego
Straight of Taiwan/Yellow Sea
North Pacific
North Sea

As well as a set of spares for home waters (Gulf of mexico/Carabean, North and South Atlantic, North and South pacific)

sort of like a star destroyer.  Only one will be needed in each region for effective power projection

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/...rstardestroyer/
http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/...lstardestroyer/

We can scrap some nimitzes, the Iowas, some Aegis cruisers, some Landing ship docks.  Should have the electronc suite of an Aegis, missiles of kirov, Guns, which should be boosted in calabere and use liquid propelant.

http://www.butteredcat.com/1933navalwarfare.htm
(Scroll down to Naval Gunnery)

Powerplant can be a hybrid nuclear, with superheating with oil fired boilers.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/battlecruisers.htm

Will be more expensive and not have the capacity of a Mobile offshore base in therms of troops and aircraft, but will have greater armor protection and firepower.

THE EMPIRE

(Hopefully one of these and its escorts will make a good enough impression on Natalie...I mean Sen Amidala :> )

[Guest]

How Much did the basic carrier model cost? Scale? Where did you get it

Sorry thought the soviet one was a Nimitz, knew the island came from a Kiev/modified Kiev/Kuznetov, did not recognize it as a kuznetsov without the ski Jump.  Cant seem to find a similar one as you used for a resonable price.  Is there an Iowa of the same scale as the one you built here that even made?  Palpatane's idea seems cool.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ro.../rus/1143_7.htm
Soviet Nimitaz class carrier

Also noticed under alternate history you had an idea for an M-1 Abrams modified as an air defense vehicle.  It replaced the main gun with a GAU-8A.
Figure somewhere other than where the amunition for the tank is currently held.  That way, because the seperate ammo bunker can be opened from the top of the  turret, the opening between the ammo bunker and the inside of the turret can ve ewaled shut and some vertically launched ADAT missiles can be droped in.  Add a radar and replace the commander's thermal site with an updated version.  parts could be taken from an AH-64, would look like the site for a real ADATs turret.  Sorry, posted this here because the forum where this was listed did not allow mw to add a reply.

[Joe C-P]

How Much did the basic carrier model cost? Scale? Where did you get it

The model is a combination of an Italeri 1/720 USS John Stennis and a Tamiya 1/700 JMSDF Osumi. I bought both at my local hobby shop, many years ago, so I don't remember how much I paid.

The airgroup comes from several sources - both ship models, White Ensign Airstrike 700 aircraft, Skywave kits of various types.

There are three modern 1/700 Iowas in plastic - Tamiya, Skywave, and Revell - and one in resin by NNT. The Revell one is old and undetailed; I built one, and while it was a fun challenge, I'd definitely choose one of the other three for future projects. The NNT resin one is expensive but excellent, according to those who've acquired it.

[Guest]

Only reason I asked was that it looked larger than a 1/720 and thought you somehow got it for a reasonable price.

[lancer]

Nonetheless an interesting idea on the topic of amphibious landings.  Naval power is important, but in the end land wars matter because thats were people live.  There must be some way of makeing seapower work for us on land.

Naval guns ARE important to land forces, as we saw in Desert Storm; the quickest way to have the enemy retreat 23 miles inland is start lobbing projo's their way! Zero-resistance landings in minutes!

Unless the enemy have big guns of thier oen, then they tend to stay in place and shoot it out, tends to even things up. And no unopposed landings. Remember the Normandy landings???

[Palpatane]

As large escorts to my BGVDN (Guided missile BattleCarrier Dock Nuclear) have two or three CGDNs (Guided missile Cruser Dock Nuclear).  The BGVDN would be like a FACES II with a larger, longer flightdeck.  These can be made by kitbashing an AEGIS Cruser and an LHD in a similar manner to the BGVDN.  The CGDNs should round out the rump brigade/reenforced battalion aboard the BGVDN to brigade strength.  Have some destroyers as a screen and you will require some fast oilers and replenishment vessles (have spare aircraft).  See if there is a way to kitbash the oilers with RORO ships.  If I remember correctly a RORO ship can hold a brigade.  Couple of these and you have a division (no penny packet battalions).

[elmayerle]

As large escorts to my BGVDN (Guided missile BattleCarrier Dock Nuclear) have two or three CGDNs (Guided missile Cruser Dock Nuclear).  The BGVDN would be like a FACES II with a larger, longer flightdeck.  These can be made by kitbashing an AEGIS Cruser and an LHD in a similar manner to the BGVDN.  The CGDNs should round out the rump brigade/reenforced battalion aboard the BGVDN to brigade strength.  Have some destroyers as a screen and you will require some fast oilers and replenishment vessles (have spare aircraft).  See if there is a way to kitbash the oilers with RORO ships.  If I remember correctly a RORO ship can hold a brigade.  Couple of these and you have a division (no penny packet battalions).

Hmm, there used to be a kit of the NS Savannah available but I don't remember if it was a convenient scale (most likely not).  That'd be quite the basis for a variety of long-range support ships if he kit's at least somewhat available.

[Joe C-P]

There are kits of the Savannah in several scales.

The most commonly available one is the Glencoe, in close to 1/350 scale. It isn't especially accurate in detail, but if you're to hack one up that won't be a problem. Revell released one in 1/380, slightly smaller but more accurate. And finally, a company called "Adams" released one in 1/424, which was also released by Life-Like.

I have the Glencoe, which by coincidence I'm converting into a AOEN.

JoeP