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Gor.39/or.343 Design Studies

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TsrJoe

May 15, 2007, 03:22:28 AM
GOR.339, OR.343, TSR.2 design proposals ...

Interim design proposals and studies, 1957 ;

Blackburn B.103A NA.39 Development
DeHavilland DH.110 Vixen Development
Hawker P.1121 2 seat 'Hurricane' Development
Vickers Supermarine Type 565 Scimitar Development


Proposed overseas types to fulfill GOR.339 specification, 1957 ;

Avro Canada 'GOR.339' Arrow Development ?
Bell D.188 VTO.
Convair B.58 Hustler
Douglas B.66 Destroyer
Republic F.105 Thunderchief
Martin B.68 delta (GOR.154)
North American A3J Vigilantie & Retaliator


GOR.339 design submissions, 1957/58 ;

Avro 739
Blackburn B.108 Buccaneer Development
Boulton Paul 'GOR.339', 76 deg. delta, fan lift (P.133 Dev.?)
Bristol Type 204
DeHavilland 'GOR.339'
English Electric P.17 (later with Shorts PD.17/P.17D, 1958)
Fairey 'GOR.339'
Folland 'GOR.339', 50 deg. delta, deflected Jets (SR.177 Dev.?) ???
Gloster 'GOR.339', 2x submissions (Javelin Development)
Handley Page 'GOR.339'
Hawker P.1129
Hawker Siddely/Avro 'GOR.339', 1129/739 Development, 1958
Vickers Supermarine Type 571, 2x submissions, 571/1, 571/2
Vickers (Wallis) 'GOR.339' Swallow Development

RAE. Low Altitude Slender Delta studies, 1957
RAE. Nuclear Powered Tactical Bomber studies, 1957
Folland PV. Tactical Bomber studies, 1958
Cranfield 1958 project (concept design based upon GOR.339)


OR.343 design submission ;

Vickers Armstrong/English Electric Type 571 (571/2/P.17A Dev.)




as yet iv stil not found illustrations of a number of the proposals, eg the 'Folland deflected jet' and 'RAE. designs' ???


cheers, Joe
... 'i reject your reality and substitute my own !'

IPMS.UK. 'Project Cancelled' Special Interest Group Co-co'ordinator (see also our Project Cancelled FB.group page)
IPMS.UK. 'TSR-2 SIG.' IPMS.UK. 'What-if SIG.' (TSR.2 Research Group, Finnoscandia & WW.2.5 FB. groups)

Graham

#1
May 19, 2007, 01:42:28 PM
So, not many to choose from then? :D  

TsrJoe

#2
June 13, 2007, 07:27:35 AM
updated listing...

GOR.339, OR.343, TSR.2 design proposals ...

Interim design proposals and studies, 1957 ;

Blackburn B.103A NA.39 Development
DeHavilland DH.110 Vixen Development
Hawker P.1121 2 seat 'Hurricane' Development
Vickers Supermarine Type 565 2 seat Scimitar Development


Proposed overseas types to fulfill GOR.339 specification, 1957 ;

Avro Canada 'GOR.339' Arrow Development ?
Bell D.188 VTO.
Convair B.58 Hustler
Douglas B.66 Destroyer
Republic F.105 Thunderchief
Martin B.68 delta (GOR.154)
North American A3J Vigilantie & Retaliator


GOR.339 design submissions, 1957/58 ;

Avro 739
Blackburn B.108 Buccaneer Development
Boulton Paul 'GOR.339', 76 deg. delta, fan lift (P.133 Dev.?)
Bristol Type 204
DeHavilland 'GOR.339'
English Electric P.17 'Thunder' (later with Shorts PD.17/P.17D, 1958)
Fairey 'GOR.339'
Folland 'GOR.339', 50 deg. delta, deflected Jets (SR. P.202 Dev.?)
Gloster 'GOR.339', 2x submissions (Javelin Development)
Handley Page 'GOR.339'
Hawker P.1129
Hawker Siddely/Avro 'GOR.339', joint P.1129/739 Development, 1958
Vickers Supermarine Type 571, 2x submissions, 571/1, 571/2
Vickers (Wallis) 'GOR.339' Swallow Development

RAE. Low Altitude Slender Delta studies, 1957
RAE. Nuclear Powered Tactical Bomber, 1957 (poss derived from above studies)
Cranfield 1958 project (concept design based upon GOR.339)


OR.343 design submission ;

Vickers Armstrong/English Electric Type 571 (571/2/P.17A Dev.)
... 'i reject your reality and substitute my own !'

IPMS.UK. 'Project Cancelled' Special Interest Group Co-co'ordinator (see also our Project Cancelled FB.group page)
IPMS.UK. 'TSR-2 SIG.' IPMS.UK. 'What-if SIG.' (TSR.2 Research Group, Finnoscandia & WW.2.5 FB. groups)

elmayerle

#3
June 13, 2007, 10:00:27 PM
Joe,

I've got a copy of an artist's concept of the "Avro Canada 'GOR.339' Arrow Development", it's done by Randall Whitcomb with considerable input from Jim Floyd.  I can pass it on if so desired.

Best,
Evan
"Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it."
--Jane Wagner and Lily Tomlin

TsrJoe

#4
June 14, 2007, 03:16:59 AM
hiya Evan, hoping alls well stateside, feel free to post any artwork of the 'Arrow bomber' would def make for a neat model

id love to see what source material was used for Randall's artwork of the type as after lots of searching this side of the pond iv stil not found anything further on an Arrow proposal to GOR.339 other than his excellent book covering Avro Canada aerospace design?

bestest wishes, cheers, Joe  :ph34r:

ps. pm en route too
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IPMS.UK. 'TSR-2 SIG.' IPMS.UK. 'What-if SIG.' (TSR.2 Research Group, Finnoscandia & WW.2.5 FB. groups)

elmayerle

#5
June 14, 2007, 04:32:09 PM
Quotehiya Evan, hoping alls well stateside, feel free to post any artwork of the 'Arrow bomber' would def make for a neat model

id love to see what source material was used for Randall's artwork of the type as after lots of searching this side of the pond iv stil not found anything further on an Arrow proposal to GOR.339 other than his excellent book covering Avro Canada aerospace design?


ps. pm en route too
As far as I know, a lot of his primary source material was a lot of in depth discussion and interview with Jim Floyd.  If I can find where it's packed, I've got a compendium of Arrow info that someone in Canada collected and published privately (*chuckle* Ticked Randall off a bit, too, since I managed to grab the last copy one Canadian mail order store had :D).  The thing is, that set of goodies is packed away, still.
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Mossie

#6
June 23, 2007, 05:57:53 PM
Guys, I've just got hold of a CF-105kit & I might well be interested in building this GOR.339 proposal.  Can you let me know what changes this proposal would have required to the basic Arrow airframe?

Simon. :cheers:
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

elmayerle

#7
June 23, 2007, 11:56:23 PM Last Edit: June 24, 2007, 12:06:46 AM by elmayerle
Okay, it seems there's definitely interest here.   The main airframe changes are the back end changes for the Iroquois installation, the Fieri inlets of the Arrow Mk.3, and provisions for underwing drop tanks.

Edit: Please see follow message for Randall's concept pic.
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--Jane Wagner and Lily Tomlin

elmayerle

#8
June 24, 2007, 12:05:01 AM
Ah, no need for an email as I can attach pictures here.  So, without further comment, here's Randall's concept picture:

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Mossie

#9
June 24, 2007, 06:28:42 AM
Thanks Evan, that's defintely do-able, not as many changes as I was expecting.
I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

Mossie

#10
June 24, 2007, 09:29:02 AM
Found a similar pic while trawling the net that you both might be interested in:

I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. You see, my mule don't like people laughin'. He gets the crazy idea you're laughin' at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

elmayerle

#11
June 24, 2007, 04:41:28 PM
QuoteFound a similar pic while trawling the net that you both might be interested in:

Yep, actually, that's more like the Mk. IV as I don't think the original plan for the Mk.III included underwing tanks.  Between what I got from Randall and surfing, I've picked up a nice collection of Arrow pics.
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