Supermarine Spartan

ysi_maniac · November 21, 2007, 10:03:33 AM

Wonderful

kitbasher · November 21, 2007, 12:35:09 PM

QuoteThis has a certain appeal to it which is growing and growing on me, it certainly looks convincing. Being a tad picky here but maybe the rear fuselage needed to be a bit longer.

Robert

Glad you like it - and you could be right about the fuselage length. The Hornet for example was rather longer than a Whirlwind (which didn't have Merlins like the Hornet).
As I was keeping with the Whirlwind's dimensions and proportions - but retaining the Spitfire theme - I'd stayed with the actual Spitfire cockpit position, which is further back than the Whirlwind's. Maybe if I'd moved the cockpit forward (and perhaps using a low-back Spitfire fuselage - although that wouldn't fit the real world timeline and would depart from Supermarine 313 design), that might look 'more right'. Interestingly, the Supermarine 313 profile in the Shacklady & Morgan Spitfire opus shows the cockpit about 3 feet further forward of the Spitfire/Spartan position.

Hope to have it finished by the weekend, then on to my Piston Perfection GB efforts! Onwards and Upwards!!!

elmayerle · November 21, 2007, 09:01:25 PM

Actually, Overkiler, I've been doodling on something like that for a while, though I admit my inspiration was the mocked-up Twin P-40 (ugly brute, really). I'm looking at a combination of P-51B and F-82 bits for the project but feel free to do your own interpretation.

Eddie M. · November 22, 2007, 06:14:58 AM

I don't know how I missed this, but it is truely inspiring. B) I, too, have been working out some kinks with my Spitfire project. It seems the Spitfire airframe is not easily tamed,

Eddie

Eddie M. · November 22, 2007, 06:38:01 AM

QuoteThat's because the Spitfire is a thoroughbred.

Here, here!

kitbasher · November 23, 2007, 08:23:30 AM

Quote
QuoteThis has a certain appeal to it which is growing and growing on me, it certainly looks convincing. Being a tad picky here but maybe the rear fuselage needed to be a bit longer.

Robert
Glad you like it - and you could be right about the fuselage length. The Hornet for example was rather longer than a Whirlwind (which didn't have Merlins like the Hornet).
As I was keeping with the Whirlwind's dimensions and proportions - but retaining the Spitfire theme - I'd stayed with the actual Spitfire cockpit position, which is further back than the Whirlwind's. Maybe if I'd moved the cockpit forward (and perhaps using a low-back Spitfire fuselage - although that wouldn't fit the real world timeline and would depart from Supermarine 313 design), that might look 'more right'. Interestingly, the Supermarine 313 profile in the Shacklady & Morgan Spitfire opus shows the cockpit about 3 feet further forward of the Spitfire/Spartan position.

Hope to have it finished by the weekend, then on to my Piston Perfection GB efforts! Onwards and Upwards!!!

.....and this is what the 313 looked like.

kitnut617 · November 23, 2007, 07:01:48 PM

Now wouldn't that look sharp with a bubble top, where did you find the picture?

kitbasher · November 24, 2007, 06:39:08 AM

The Supermarine 313 drawing can be found on page 645 of 'Spitfire: the History' by eric B Morgan and Edward shacklady

Googling the Type 313 a few minutes ago led me to a fascinating discussion thread at http://www.tgplanes.com/Public/snitz/topic...027&whichpage=2, in which a contributor provided the following stats fro the 313 and also a Type 327 which sounds pretty interesting.

Aircraft      Supermarine 327    Supermarine 313
Engine(s):      2x RR Merlin 2.SM    2x RR Goshawk
Power:      1265hp (944kW)    855hp (638kW)
Span:     12.2 m    14.6 m
Length:     10.2 m    11.3 m
Wing Area:      28.3m²    30.2m²
Max Weight (kg):      5131 kg    3720 kg
Maximum Speed (mph):      465 mph    390 mph
@ Altitude:     22000 ft    15000 ft
Armament:     6 x 20mm canon    4 x 20mm canon
Wing Loading:     181.31 kg/m²    123.18 kg/m²
Power Loading:      2.72 kg/kW    2.92 kg/kW

Apparrently, more can be found in British Secret Projects: Fighters and Bombers 1935-1950' by Tony Buttler.

kitnut617 · November 24, 2007, 08:31:14 AM

Thanks KB, I'll see if I can find which box I packed my BSP book in, I'd forgotten it was in the book.

kitbasher · November 24, 2007, 01:08:02 PM

Hello Kitnut617, glad t have been of service. Hopefully this hyperlink will work and take you to some pics of the Types 325 and 327 and a whole thread about these, the 313 and others:
http://www.tgplanes.com/Public/Snitz/topic...Supermarine+313
IMHO the 325 is a dog, but the 327 could be made prettier (but not as graceful as the dH Hornet, which it resembles). Plenty of whiff material there, I would say!
The 'Meteor' on the final page of that thread is new to me and is almost what I'm doing for the Piston Perfection GB.

kitnut617 · November 24, 2007, 02:27:05 PM

Neat, it reminded me I had a link to a similar place: http://www.flitzerart.com/aircraft.htm

I'd seen the 325 on this site and some other neat ones, I think this has been posted here before.

I like the Meteor but I think I would have gone with my pet fav', the RR exhaust turbine, which would have plumbed the exhaust pipes back into the nacelle, through the turbine, then out the rear.

Cheers......

kitbasher · November 25, 2007, 02:36:46 AM

QuoteNeat, it reminded me I had a link to a similar place: http://www.flitzerart.com/aircraft.htm

I'd seen the 325 on this site and some other neat ones, I think this has been posted here before.

I like the Meteor but I think I would have gone with my pet fav', the RR exhaust turbine, which would have plumbed the exhaust pipes back into the nacelle, through the turbine, then out the rear.

Cheers......

Hi Kitnut617. The Flitzerart website is mentioned in the tgplanes thread, but I had no luck gtting to the site until your link appeared. Top banana whiff material there!!