What If Some Aermacchi/embraer Amxs Were Exported

[GTX]

Hi folks,

Time for another export thread.  This time, what if more Aermacchi/Embraer AMXs were exported?  My research indicates that Thailand ordered a large batch (around 38 including 12 two-seaters) of AMX fighters in the early 1990s, however funding cutbacks led to the cancellation of the order.  Apart from that the only export success has been Venezuela for 12 AMX-Ts.  Who else could be a possible AMX operator?

Other South/Central American countries?  African? Asian?  European?

Also, what if Brazil and/or Italy also developed a naval carrier based variant?

Regards,

Greg

[Lawman]

Throw in a newer engine, e.g. the RB-199 from the Tornado, or the EJ200 from the Typhoon, and the RAF could buy it as a Jaguar replacement. If Harrier II had never gotten the go-ahead (e.g. if the RN got proper carriers, and the RAF went off STOVL), then the AMX could even replace the RAF's Harriers. A fleet of a few hundred AMXs could have been the result, and of course there might even have been the possibility for it to replace Hawk trainers in some roles. An RAF fleet of Tornado F-3s, GR-4s and AMXs would have been worthwhile, and could have proven very useful in places light Afghanistan for CAS. As a Harrier and Jaguar replacement, you could easily be talking 150 to 200 aircraft in total!

[dragon]

For some reason Venezuela never went through with the purchase of AMXs.  The aircraft would also look good in winter camouflage with current Canadian markings. B)  

[Son of Damian]

Glanini did some profiles on this subject but all I get is  :redx:
AMX Around the World

[AeroplaneDriver]

Throw in a newer engine, e.g. the RB-199 from the Tornado, or the EJ200 from the Typhoon, and the RAF could buy it as a Jaguar replacement. If Harrier II had never gotten the go-ahead (e.g. if the RN got proper carriers, and the RAF went off STOVL), then the AMX could even replace the RAF's Harriers. A fleet of a few hundred AMXs could have been the result, and of course there might even have been the possibility for it to replace Hawk trainers in some roles. An RAF fleet of Tornado F-3s, GR-4s and AMXs would have been worthwhile, and could have proven very useful in places light Afghanistan for CAS. As a Harrier and Jaguar replacement, you could easily be talking 150 to 200 aircraft in total!

In this scenario I wonder how the AMX would fare against the Hawk 200 since they are roughly comparable in performance/capability?  I imagine if the RAF had a requirement that the AMX could fill that BAe would push the -200 quite hard, even if it meant further development.

Interesting scenario...

[AeroplaneDriver]

For some reason Venezuela never went through with the purchase of AMXs.  The aircraft would also look good in winter camouflage with current Canadian markings. B)

Some on this board think a dead rat wold look good in winter camo and maple leaves...


I'd like to see one in a 3-tone green Irish Air Corps scheme or a maybe a desert scheme.  

[GTX]

Reviving a topic - what about the AMX as a A-7 replacement?

BTW, does anyone do a 1/48th kit of one?

Regards,

Greg

[GTX]

Ok, a quick search found this:



Any others?

Regards,

Greg

[overscan]

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[Ed S]

What if someone did a 1/72 injected kit of the AMX?  Give us something to work with!

Ed

[Lawman]

In response to the earlier post of Aeroplanedriver, which I hadn't noticed at the time, I disagree about Hawk 200 being in the same class. The Hawk 200 was just a single seat, radar equipped trainer, with only around 5,500-6,000lb thrust (up to about 6,500 with the latest engines), but the AMX had 11,000lb using their Speys, and this would most likely have been more like 14,000lb with newer engines. This is a pretty significant difference, and the AMX is also capable of carrying more realistic combat loads (e.g. the Hawk can carry 2000lb of stores, but on relatively short range missions only). A British AMX as a Jaguar replacement would have had a lot of potential, especially for recent operations in Afghanistan. For Thailand, they would have been an excellent strike aircraft, especially if Thailand's other procurements hadn't fallen down, e.g. their Hornet purchase, and their aims for new Harriers for their carriers.

If Canada hadn't had the Cretien government in the '90s, it might have been possible for Canada to do a deal, swapping some of their Hornets for cheaper AMXs, e.g. a swap with Italy, allowing Italy to retire their Starfighters, in exchange for new build AMXs. They could operate a mix of Hornets and AMXs, possibly even using a modified non-afterburning F404 engine, for commonality with their Hornets.

As an A-7 replacement, it was a little too light, and is far more of an A-4 replacement (though not as nice as the Skyhawk); but it could have been a good option to replace Corsairs for Greece and Thailand. It might even have been an option for New Zealand, instead of their MB339s, and as a replacement for their Skyhawks, i.e. a common aircraft, that could be used for training and combat duties, probably alongside a modest number of Aussie-built Pilatus PC-9s.

[Rogerolim]

Ok, a quick search found this:



Any others?

Exists this one:
http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/mod/48amxpreview.htm


The Duarte´s AMX, I dont see yet (I do 1/72), but my friends here talks very well about it.

You can see a little review here (biplace version), in site of ratos de hangar (Hangar Rats)

http://paginas.terra.com.br/lazer/gpprh/galeria/Elcio/AMX/amx.htm

[ysi_maniac]

In response to the earlier post of Aeroplanedriver, which I hadn't noticed at the time, I disagree about Hawk 200 being in the same class. The Hawk 200 was just a single seat, radar equipped trainer, with only around 5,500-6,000lb thrust (up to about 6,500 with the latest engines), but the AMX had 11,000lb using their Speys, and this would most likely have been more like 14,000lb with newer engines. This is a pretty significant difference, and the AMX is also capable of carrying more realistic combat loads (e.g. the Hawk can carry 2000lb of stores, but on relatively short range missions only). A British AMX as a Jaguar replacement would have had a lot of potential, especially for recent operations in Afghanistan. For Thailand, they would have been an excellent strike aircraft, especially if Thailand's other procurements hadn't fallen down, e.g. their Hornet purchase, and their aims for new Harriers for their carriers.

If Canada hadn't had the Cretien government in the '90s, it might have been possible for Canada to do a deal, swapping some of their Hornets for cheaper AMXs, e.g. a swap with Italy, allowing Italy to retire their Starfighters, in exchange for new build AMXs. They could operate a mix of Hornets and AMXs, possibly even using a modified non-afterburning F404 engine, for commonality with their Hornets.

As an A-7 replacement, it was a little too light, and is far more of an A-4 replacement (though not as nice as the Skyhawk); but it could have been a good option to replace Corsairs for Greece and Thailand. It might even have been an option for New Zealand, instead of their MB339s, and as a replacement for their Skyhawks, i.e. a common aircraft, that could be used for training and combat duties, probably alongside a modest number of Aussie-built Pilatus PC-9s.

Do not forget Portugal, that found Corsair an over-complicated aircraft

[Lawman]

The trouble with Portugal is that for budgetary reasons, they ended up with used F-16s for the A2A role (and strike of course), and ex-Luftwaffe Alpha Jets as trainers (and of course they could handle the lighter strike role). As such, I'd not bet on Portugal having the money for new AMXs, which would probably have cost more than their used F-16s! It's a pity though, the AMX would have been an excellent addition to their Air Force.