MARTEL (AS-37 and AJ-168), ARMAT, Sea Eagle, and OTOMAT Guided Missile

[Hobbes]

My interest is because my thinking is that using an expensive bit of kit to take out a dish (easily replaced) doesn't make sense, taking out the control van would be much more worth while. Once the missile picks up a signal, the TV operator could then use the camera to look around the launch site to see if the control van is nearby, then lock onto that before firing.
Robert

The radar transmitter (a complex, expensive bit of kit) is usually located close to the dish because it's difficult to transmit power between the two. So a hit on the dish will tend to take out the transmitter as well. The transmitter can be replaced, but it's not as if they'll have dozens of spares lying around.

[kitnut617]

My interest is because my thinking is that using an expensive bit of kit to take out a dish (easily replaced) doesn't make sense, taking out the control van would be much more worth while. Once the missile picks up a signal, the TV operator could then use the camera to look around the launch site to see if the control van is nearby, then lock onto that before firing.
Robert

The radar transmitter (a complex, expensive bit of kit) is usually located close to the dish because it's difficult to transmit power between the two. So a hit on the dish will tend to take out the transmitter as well. The transmitter can be replaced, but it's not as if they'll have dozens of spares lying around.

Yes, but I was thinking of 'operators' which aren't very replaceable and much more expensive to train.

[Aircav]

Using the few available drawings and images available on-line for the MARTEL I managed to create a passable 3D model of the missile.  Two screen shots attached showing the missile in profile with a 2D figure for size comparison.  This will be a WIP for now until I can find better images showing the fins in profile and the details for the rear of the missile surrounding the motor exhaust nozzles.  

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Thanks Steve,

The images you shared will definitely help.  Biggest problem has been trying to determine the chord on the missile fins. 

The way I set up the 3D model I can easily do the AJ.168 from the original missile body. 

[rickshaw]

Yes, but I was thinking of 'operators' which aren't very replaceable and much more expensive to train.

Which in most military radars were until the invention of ARMs usually located quite closely, if not often actually on the radar system itself:

[Weaver]

Thanks Steve,

The images you shared will definitely help.  Biggest problem has been trying to determine the chord on the missile fins. 

The way I set up the 3D model I can easily do the AJ.168 from the original missile body. 

Note the datalink aerials on either side of the AJ.168's back end (on the back of the cable fairings). These don't appear on the AS.37.

[Mossie]

Jeff, I've got several pics of the same missile in the Yorkshire Air Museum as Steve.  This one is almost exactly perpendicular to the fins so should give you a near-as-damn-it pla form.  Note the Sea Eagle on the right in case you want to do that version as well.  If you want to see any more pics of the same two missiles (as well as the WE.177, 500lb & 1000lb GP bombs & Grand Slam next to them) let me know.

[spike7451]

The missiles would be stored in the ESA (Explosive Storage Area or Bomb Dump) in either ready prep area which is for quick release in a war footing or in the storage containers.The ready missiles would be issued first to allow the prep of the stored missiles.

When they are issued from the ESA,they are transported in convoy on standard RAF Type 'S' bomb trolleys.When they reach the aircraft to be loaded,they are removed from the 'S' trolley with a weapon loader & either put on the smaller trolley like the one in the pic or,in the case of loading Sea Eagle on Tornado,a 'Y' loader.

Spike (RAF Armourer)

This is a photo of the standard Type S weapon trolley with a couple specials on it.

[DarrenP]

Surface launched versions of Sea Eagle would have been interesting addition to British armours. I also wonder if Martel ARM could have gone the way of standard and become a SAM as well?

[Maverick]

Well, in reality, Standard was a SAM initially, with the AGM-78 Standard ARM coming along later.

Regards,

Mav

[DarrenP]

Has any one any pictures of launchers proposed for Surface launched Sea Eagle

[DarrenP]

there is a great RAF recruiting video from 70's or 80's showing buccs on an ocean gate deployment and doing simulated Martel strike on HMS kent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4vkBWLmnZA