The Soviet Union, 1947 and a bit beyond

[maxmwill]

With the end of the war in May of 1945, the Soviet Union, along with the United States, was scrambling to collect as many examples of German technology, with regard to aircraft and related, as they could.

Among the examples were the JUMO 004, the BMW 003 turbine engines, and the JU287, among other items, but also as many engineers and technicians they could scrape up.

Now, the rude shock that was the MiG 15 is well documented, as well as the US' response during the Korean War.

However, if the Soviets had provided the Chinese with a jet powered medium bomber before 1950, and those were deployed to Korea, how much more the shock?

Such as the Su10?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-10

Or, if Myasischchev had been allowed to progress with his DSB17?

Or, having confiscated the Ju287 and as much technical information on it, cracked the aeroelastic problem, and had a successful medium bomber, one result being the '140'

http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/44/51950e54839d69f2f9218fdb12436644.jpg

as well as the EF132

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Esquema_JU_Ef132.JPG

Both of these were Junkers projects, but the Soviets, having captured these, along with Brudolf Baade, the engineer who was in charge of these projects in Germany, continued to develop them, along with another set of bomber projects while in OKB1, just outside of Moscow.

And then there was Tupolev.

Tupolev was also ordered to come up with a Jet powered bomber, and proceed to modify the TU2 to take jet engines, which resulted in the TU12(77), as well as the TU14.

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/tu-77.gif

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/tu-14.gif

The final design that was accepted into service was the IL28(Beagle), which is considered the Soviet Canberra, but if any oof the earlier designs had the bugs worked out, and put into production, what would have been one of the possible results, especially in the early part of the Korean conflict?

[rickshaw]

I suspect it would have made very little difference.  The USAF had overwhelming air superiority and the addition of a few jet bombers in the KPAF inventory wouldn't have made all that much difference to what happened.   Yes, they'd have been harder to intercept but interdicting their airfields would have rendered them impotent and forced them back to Manchuria.  The Chinese wouldn't have wanted to give the UN even more reasons to escalate the conflict with attacks on the PRC directly.

If some Tu14Ts had been there, it might have added some difficulties, particularly if they'd targeted the RN/RAN Carriers.  While torpedoes were difficult to use, the performance of the Tu14T was such that the defending piston engined fighters would have had some difficulty intercepting them.  The sinking of a carrier would have been very hard for the UK/Australia to accept or manage.

[maxmwill]

If some Tu14Ts had been there, it might have added some difficulties, particularly if they'd targeted the RN/RAN Carriers.  While torpedoes were difficult to use, the performance of the Tu14T was such that the defending piston engined fighters would have had some difficulty intercepting them.  The sinking of a carrier would have been very hard for the UK/Australia to accept or manage.
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That's part of what I was trying to talk about.

And on the part of the EF140, which was based upon the JU287, which first flew Sept., 1948, flight testing completed 24 May, 1949, proved that the concept was viable.

As originally designed, it wasn't the extreme maneuverability the Germans wanted, but a way to avoid a lot of the problems associated with swept back wings, as well as have a bomb bay that wasn't broken in two by the wing spar(the swept forward wings are equivalent to canards), but the problem they encountered was the concept of aeroelasticity, in which the wing tips continue to fly upward, due to the fact that the wing has to have wash in(as opposed to washout in other types of wings, wash in being where the wing tip has a higher angle of attack relative to the wing root, whereas washout is where the tip has a lower angle of attack relative to the root), and the wing structure failed.

Apparently, Baade's OKB solved that problem, as the EF140 was able to fly at around 800 kph.

One bomber, the EF132, based upon a Junkers design with the same designator, might've made for an interesting high altitude heavy bomber, with 6 engines that Lyul'ka designed, and looked kind of like a Comet(engines near the wing roots), might have made for a bit of a shock for the Allies.

All I'm asking is if these might make for possible whiffs, if there are any kits available, or if anyone would feel ambitious enough to scratch something together(plus have a fairly well stocked spares box).

[McColm]

Have a look on the Heritage Aviation Models Limited website, they do eastern European model kits or Hannants.

[maxmwill]

The one jet bomber that the Soviets tried to do something with was the Junkers EF132 and that's an Anigrand kit at Hannants.

Here is a 3 view of it:

http://www.luft46.com/junkers/3bj132.jpg