Jet powered WW2 aircraft

[PR19_Kit]

I was lucky enough to work on it in the early 80s, 2nd line on 8sqdrn at Lossie.
Ifor

While attached to a large number of rivets flying in close formation powered by four Griffons perhaps? 

[Rheged]

I was lucky enough to work on it in the early 80s, 2nd line on 8sqdrn at Lossie.
Ifor

While attached to a large number of rivets flying in close formation powered by four Griffons perhaps? 

Described by one user as  like an old elephant.....big and wrinkled grey on the outside, dark and smelly on the inside.

[Ifor]

Lol, they had two sayings,
Old age and treachery will always defeat youth and vitality, and my fav
Eight screws are better than two blow jobs.
You could get them on t shirts and sweat shirts. Another fabulous aircraft.
Ifor

[major]

This thread has given me numerous idea's, anyone know where to buy (cheap) Me 262 nacelles?

From cheap Me 262 kits!
Although, they are quite easy to make from scratch, 'tis not much more than a tube an two cones!
Search the net for Me 262 model plans. RC guys and paper modellers have some great methods.
Have also found various novelty pens and the like, have ideal shapes, with a bit 'o cutting an shutting! 

Cheers... Ray

[Jesse220]

This thread has given me numerous idea's, anyone know where to buy (cheap) Me 262 nacelles?

From cheap Me 262 kits!
Although, they are quite easy to make from scratch, 'tis not much more than a tube an two cones!
Search the net for Me 262 model plans. RC guys and paper modellers have some great methods.
Have also found various novelty pens and the like, have ideal shapes, with a bit 'o cutting an shutting! 

Cheers... Ray

Good luck with that

[Jesse220]

I found a jet Powered A8M jet on Deviantart.

http://www.deviantart.com/art/A8M1-test-flight-497715532

[lancer]

I like that A8M concept. But the fuselage and wings look very F86ish yo me. Nice though

[ennobee]

A couple of weeks ago, there was a posting about a jet version of the P51, I only discovered it today so here's my late reply:

"Le secret de l'Espadron" (The mystery of the Swordfish) a Belgian comic from 1946, I believe, by Edgar P Jacobs. First of what would later become "The adventures of Blake and Mortimer". The story is something of a retelling of World War Ii.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_the_Swordfish

The evil Tibetan Empire (Go figure) unleashes a blitzkrieg on the rest of the world and pretty much conquers every nation on earth. As the RAF valiantly mounts a loosing battle against the Tibetan Atomic Bomber Force over the channel, Captain Blake of the British Secret Service has to bring professor Mortimer, inventor of the revolutionary new warplane 'Swordfish', to a secret military research facility in the gulf of Aden and over the next 140! pages the two escape by plane, are shot down, hunted all over the middle east, separated, captured, liberated, united at the secret base, battle spies and are besieged by the complete Tibetan army before they finally ate able to launch the first two swordfishes and blast all of Tibet to kingdom come.

Nowadays more famous for the total absence of any woman - B and M have often been placed alongside Batman & Robin or Biggles & Ginger- The book has some interesting ideas about how E.P.Jacobs imagined the aircraft of 'tomorrow' in 1946. Most of them being more or less openly based on the most common WWII crafts with jets instead of props. Most famous -yes, I am finally coming to make my point- the Tibetan Stratoshark fighter, which Looks like a very stubby P51 with a jet engine intake inside a shark-style nose. Of course it is a comic drawing rather then a detailed plan, but on the few occasions the craft is shown from top or from below, the wingplan is definitely that of a P51 (seen from the side it vaguely resembles a cross between a Mustang, a late Bell X-1 and the Messerschmitt 328 stack glider) Interestingly, there is also a floatplane version with a central float and two wingtip stabilizers reminiscent of the Japanese Float-Zero.

Other interesting planes in the book include:
-Mortimers own 'Golden Beetle' research plane: Something like a B29 with four jet engines burried in the wing roots, giving it a rather B17 like wingplan
- Colonel Olric's own 'Red Wing': A flying wing bomber apparently based on the HP.75 Manx.
- a four jet bomber based on the B24. Interestingly this one is shown towing an Airspeed Horsa like assault glider
- the Swordfish itself, but this one would burst the scope of the WWII-to-jet conversion.

There seems to have been a Canadian animated series more or less following the books. Episodes of them - including the Swordfish- have since been uploaded to YouTube. Compare to the books, it is definitely low quality, but one might get a glimpse of the aircraft there

I will dig up my copy of the comic later on and scan in some pictures,
Until then,

'Niklas

[Jesse220]

A couple of weeks ago, there was a posting about a jet version of the P51, I only discovered it today so here's my late reply:

"Le secret de l'Espadron" (The mystery of the Swordfish) a Belgian comic from 1946, I believe, by Edgar P Jacobs. First of what would later become "The adventures of Blake and Mortimer". The story is something of a retelling of World War Ii.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_the_Swordfish

The evil Tibetan Empire (Go figure) unleashes a blitzkrieg on the rest of the world and pretty much conquers every nation on earth. As the RAF valiantly mounts a loosing battle against the Tibetan Atomic Bomber Force over the channel, Captain Blake of the British Secret Service has to bring professor Mortimer, inventor of the revolutionary new warplane 'Swordfish', to a secret military research facility in the gulf of Aden and over the next 140! pages the two escape by plane, are shot down, hunted all over the middle east, separated, captured, liberated, united at the secret base, battle spies and are besieged by the complete Tibetan army before they finally ate able to launch the first two swordfishes and blast all of Tibet to kingdom come.

Nowadays more famous for the total absence of any woman - B and M have often been placed alongside Batman & Robin or Biggles & Ginger- The book has some interesting ideas about how E.P.Jacobs imagined the aircraft of 'tomorrow' in 1946. Most of them being more or less openly based on the most common WWII crafts with jets instead of props. Most famous -yes, I am finally coming to make my point- the Tibetan Stratoshark fighter, which Looks like a very stubby P51 with a jet engine intake inside a shark-style nose. Of course it is a comic drawing rather then a detailed plan, but on the few occasions the craft is shown from top or from below, the wingplan is definitely that of a P51 (seen from the side it vaguely resembles a cross between a Mustang, a late Bell X-1 and the Messerschmitt 328 stack glider) Interestingly, there is also a floatplane version with a central float and two wingtip stabilizers reminiscent of the Japanese Float-Zero.

Other interesting planes in the book include:
-Mortimers own 'Golden Beetle' research plane: Something like a B29 with four jet engines burried in the wing roots, giving it a rather B17 like wingplan
- Colonel Olric's own 'Red Wing': A flying wing bomber apparently based on the HP.75 Manx.
- a four jet bomber based on the B24. Interestingly this one is shown towing an Airspeed Horsa like assault glider
- the Swordfish itself, but this one would burst the scope of the WWII-to-jet conversion.

There seems to have been a Canadian animated series more or less following the books. Episodes of them - including the Swordfish- have since been uploaded to YouTube. Compare to the books, it is definitely low quality, but one might get a glimpse of the aircraft there

I will dig up my copy of the comic later on and scan in some pictures,
Until then,

'Niklas

That's Awesome 

[ennobee]

Has Anyone thought about what a Jet Powered P-51 would look like? But i Shudder to Think about What If the Me-110 was Jet Powered! Stay Cool. Dan

In Germany, Messerschmitt was more interested in making a heavy night fighter version of his Me262 jet than in making a jet version of his Bf110 heavy night fighter. So that sums up the prospects of a jet powered 110 in Germany. (I admit it would look cool though)

However Switzerland had a number of pre-war 110's which due to their famous meticulousness stayed in service until well... forever. So if the Swiss were looking to gain access to jet technology, they could easily add one or two jets to a 110 At first they would put an existing jet under the belly of a standard 110, as a test bed and to gain experience with the new technology. Later they might replace that engine with a home built one and use the 110 as an operational test bed.

Parallel to that they would convert  their remaining 110's to dual controls and add two jet  engines somewhere between the fuselage and engine pods. These would then be used as trainers to teach their pilots the jet handling skills they might need to fly the Pilatus P51-j jet upgrade of the Swiss Air Force Mustang... Images to follow...

[Flyer]

Has Anyone thought about what a Jet Powered P-51 would look like? But i Shudder to Think about What If the Me-110 was Jet Powered! Stay Cool. Dan

In Germany, Messerschmitt was more interested in making a heavy night fighter version of his Me262 jet than in making a jet version of his Bf110 heavy night fighter. So that sums up the prospects of a jet powered 110 in Germany. (I admit it would look cool though)

However Switzerland had a number of pre-war 110's which due to their famous meticulousness stayed in service until well... forever. So if the Swiss were looking to gain access to jet technology, they could easily add one or two jets to a 110 At first they would put an existing jet under the belly of a standard 110, as a test bed and to gain experience with the new technology. Later they might replace that engine with a home built one and use the 110 as an operational test bed.

Parallel to that they would convert  their remaining 110's to dual controls and add two jet  engines somewhere between the fuselage and engine pods. These would then be used as trainers to teach their pilots the jet handling skills they might need to fly the Pilatus P51-j jet upgrade of the Swiss Air Force Mustang... Images to follow...

When I did a MS Paint drawing of a Jet Stuka a little while ago I also did a 110. I kept the landing gear the same and put jets on top. I like the look but the fins may get warm.

Jet Stuka reply #21
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39500.15.html

[Jesse220]

Has Anyone thought about what a Jet Powered P-51 would look like? But i Shudder to Think about What If the Me-110 was Jet Powered! Stay Cool. Dan

In Germany, Messerschmitt was more interested in making a heavy night fighter version of his Me262 jet than in making a jet version of his Bf110 heavy night fighter. So that sums up the prospects of a jet powered 110 in Germany. (I admit it would look cool though)

However Switzerland had a number of pre-war 110's which due to their famous meticulousness stayed in service until well... forever. So if the Swiss were looking to gain access to jet technology, they could easily add one or two jets to a 110 At first they would put an existing jet under the belly of a standard 110, as a test bed and to gain experience with the new technology. Later they might replace that engine with a home built one and use the 110 as an operational test bed.

Parallel to that they would convert  their remaining 110's to dual controls and add two jet  engines somewhere between the fuselage and engine pods. These would then be used as trainers to teach their pilots the jet handling skills they might need to fly the Pilatus P51-j jet upgrade of the Swiss Air Force Mustang... Images to follow...

When I did a MS Paint drawing of a Jet Stuka a little while ago I also did a 110. I kept the landing gear the same and put jets on top. I like the look but the fins may get warm.

Jet Stuka reply #21
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39500.15.html

My God that's Amazing 

[pyro-manic]

However Switzerland had a number of pre-war 110's

You sure about that? AFAIK they only ever had one....

I do like the idea of a 110 with a ventrally-mounted jet engine. Would be a good testbed. And Flyer, your drawing is great! That really does look good.

[zenrat]

They look good with a turboprop - nice long nose.

[Jesse220]

That I like to see as a jet