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Navalised carrier versions of B-25 Mitchell and A-26 Invader?

Started by seadude, September 14, 2020, 08:58:21 AM

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seadude

Just some random off the wall thinking here, but what would happen if there was a navalised
carrier versions of the B-25 Mitchell and/or A-26 Invader with foldable wing systems, etc. for use on Midway class carriers right after WW2?
Could either aircraft be adapted for carrier use? What would it take?
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Sport21ing

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/457/Revenge-of-the-Shang.aspx
There's more above

http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/News%20Stories%20J/Shangri-La/Shangrila52.jpg
During carrier trials for the PBJ-1H Mitchell, sailor Wade Litzinger brought his camera on deck, and from the catwalk along her flight deck, took a photograph of one of the Mitchell's landings aboard Shangri-La. This would be the heaviest aircraft brought to a stop on an American carrier to that point. The pilot was Lieutenant Commander H.S. Bottomly. The tests were for an anticipated need to bring attack bombers like the Mitchell up close to the Japanese homelands in the event of a fight to the end. Photo: Wade Litzinger
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Dizzyfugu

One very limiting factor for naval(ized) aircraft is the lift size of the carriers. Large airframes had to be left on deck, which is NOT a safe and sustainable way to store them. I do not want to do legwork, but I'd assume that B-25 and A-26 would simply be too large for the lifts.

rickshaw

Quote from: Dizzyfugu on September 15, 2020, 01:56:18 AM
One very limiting factor for naval(ized) aircraft is the lift size of the carriers. Large airframes had to be left on deck, which is NOT a safe and sustainable way to store them. I do not want to do legwork, but I'd assume that B-25 and A-26 would simply be too large for the lifts.

There is an answer to that, Dizzy.  Build bigger lifts....   :banghead:
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zenrat

The B-25 was classified as the PBJ-1H when in US Navy use.

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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sideshowbob9

#5
Whenever a naval A-26 is mooted, the Douglas XTB2D Skypirate comes instantly to mind. Same span and nearly the same length. If they didn't have a bit of cross-over on the design teams for them, I'll eat a (very small) hat!

You'll need a Midway or bigger to get one to sea though!

PR19_Kit

Quote from: sideshowbob9 on September 15, 2020, 04:52:36 AM

Whenever a naval A-26 is mooted, the Douglas XTB2D Skypirate comes instantly to mind. Same span and nearly the same length. If they didn't have a bit of cross-over on the design teams for them, I'll eat a (very small) hat!


Not the prettiest aircraft to ever grace skies, was it?  :-\

SEVENTY ft span for a single engined torpedo bomber!  :o

That site about the Shangri-La is fascinating, great post. Thanks.  :thumbsup:
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sideshowbob9

^ I've always had a soft spot for it but I think I have a condition called broken aesthetics!

jcf

Quote from: zenrat on September 15, 2020, 04:01:50 AM
The B-25 was classified as the PBJ-1H when in US Navy use.

PBJ-1 was the base designation for the B-25.
(Patrol Bomber)(J = NAA)-1(first version).
No numeral between PB and J because it was the first
patrol bomber designated aircraft from North America.

B-25C = PBJ-1C
B-25D = PBJ-1D
B-25G = PBJ-1G (one aircraft only)
B-25H = PBJ-1H
B-25J = PBJ-1J

Captain Canada

Making the outer wings removeable was always my train of thought for larger a/c on a carrier. Lots of deck crew running around to heave ho.
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major

Quote from: sideshowbob9 on September 15, 2020, 04:52:36 AM
Whenever a naval A-26 is mooted, the Douglas XTB2D Skypirate comes instantly to mind. Same span and nearly the same length. If they didn't have a bit of cross-over on the design teams for them, I'll eat a (very small) hat!

You'll need a Midway or bigger to get one to sea though!

Go on Matt, you know you can do It!  :wacko:

Ray (The procrastinator)  :thumbsup: ;D

sideshowbob9

Sssshhh that was supposed to be a secret!  :-X ;D

I have an A-26 earmarked for conversion into a "poor-man's" TB2D with a R-3350 up front. An airfix A-1 engine & scoop assembly, inverted, fits the upper contours at least, of the A-26 nose. More recently, I'd given thought to giving it F7F wings and the A-26 wings going on a MiG-21F with something suitable underslung to make something broadly Yak-25RV-like.

Back on topic, if a TB2D could be even considered for naval service, I don't see why an A-26 couldn't, though I don't see it happening unless very late-war or in a '46 scenario FWIW.

QuoteMaking the outer wings removable was always my train of thought for larger a/c on a carrier. Lots of deck crew running around to heave ho.

There goes the recruitment drive!  ;D


major

Quote from: sideshowbob9 on September 16, 2020, 06:29:25 AM
Sssshhh that was supposed to be a secret!  :-X ;D

Ooops! Sorry!  ;D

(I don't think anyone heard me anyway ;))

jcf

Grumman type wingfold, or skewed hinge lines - one outer wing panel wing slightly goes fwd.
when folded, the other goes slightly aft so they can go over the fuselage reducing folded height,
but not interfere with each other.