Hawker P1216

[Sisko]

Yum Yum very nice.    

[John Howling Mouse]

Folks, you are missing the point, Geoff asked

RAF or FAA (Sorry but this is a British subject and will wear UK decals - subsequent versions from joes production can be whatever you fancy).

 

Nope, didn't miss the RAF point at all...simply already extrapolating based on the hopeful future existence of additional casting!    ^_^  

[John Howling Mouse]

Yes, a T-tail would avoid the exhaust gas impingement problems, but I'd definitely want the horizontal to extend outboard beyodn the verticals on each tailboom to prevent blanking at higher AOA's.  This is a fighter and loss of pitch control is not a good thing (ask Voodoo ro Starfighter pilots).

Evan,
I'm always amazed to read the performance stats re: Starfighters.  Many current aircraft possess abilities which seem to pale by comparison.

What If Starfighters were guided by the best FBW systems current avionics has to offer?    Like many inherently unstable aircraft, would they not be that much easier to manage?

I was reading some articles by Italian Starfighter pilots and it appeared that the latest Starfighter variants they flew were still not FBW platforms.

Just a thought.  I have a twin-engined Starfighter design I'm going to explore and have always wondered if FBW controls would "flatten" that imaginary stability curve upon which the ball rides...

[elmayerle]

It might be quite good - save for the deep-stall problem inherent in T-tails (even the 727 could have this under the wrong conditions).  As for a twin-engined F-104, as far as I can tell from disparate sources, the F-104 derived from a Lockheed entry in the MX-1179 (F-102/F-103) design competition.  It appears, again from combining data from disparate sources, that this design was developed further, in both 4xJ79 and 2xJ93 versions, as Lockheed's entry in the LRIX competition ultmately won by NAA with their F-108 design.  What's been published in Jay Miller's Skunk Works book and elsewhere shows something resembling a Blackbird without chines and with a single fin supproting a T-tail.

[Aircav]

Hmmmm, a FSW Starfighter, Cool idea            

[Geoff_B]

A Twin Engined Lancer might be interesting although JHM won't like it as they replaced the T-Tail with fuselage mounted tail fins and rasied the wing to shoulder level.




Geoff B B)

[elmayerle]

A Twin Engined Lancer might be interesting although JHM won't like it as they replaced the T-Tail with fuselage mounted tail fins and rasied the wing to shoulder level.




Geoff B B)

Thanks for mentioning the Lancer, I rather think that'd be a better starting point that a Starfighter.  You'd probably need to lengthen the ouverall airfram, too, to keep the same fineness ratio when you add the second engine.