F-5, CF-5, T-38, and F-20

[SinUnNombre]

I want to do one Patrouille Suisse colors and see if anyone notices...

Jon

[dy031101]

Oh, and whoever mentioned coverting single-seat F-5s to two-seaters, it's fairly easy since there's a production break right aft of the cockpit.  Depending on just how operational you want the two-seater to be, you either use essentially a T-38/F-5B forward fuselage or a F-5F forward fuselage.

I remembered that a company called "Tiger Century Aircraft" was promoting such a service using a new forward fuselage with a larger nose radome.

I neglected to save the PR pictures when they were available on the internet, however.

[Howard of Effingham]

I want to do one Patrouille Suisse colors and see if anyone notices...

Me too - evil idea isn't it!!!  Just the thing to trip up some people at a show.

and if you really want to wind someone up on this score, how about the KLu NF-5 'double dutch' display team scheme on a F-20?  ^_^

[SinUnNombre]

I want to do one Patrouille Suisse colors and see if anyone notices...

Me too - evil idea isn't it!!!  Just the thing to trip up some people at a show.

and if you really want to wind someone up on this score, how about the KLu NF-5 'double dutch' display team scheme on a F-20?  ^_^

I also seriously considered doing a Thunderbirds scheme on an F-20 for the USAF GB. It makes sense(at least to me...): It directly competed with the F-16 for the LWF contract, and the T-38 preceded it in the Thunderbirds line-up. The main reason it didn't get done is that I still can't agree with myself on a scheme.

Jon

[elmayerle]

I want to do one Patrouille Suisse colors and see if anyone notices...

Me too - evil idea isn't it!!!  Just the thing to trip up some people at a show.

and if you really want to wind someone up on this score, how about the KLu NF-5 'double dutch' display team scheme on a F-20?  ^_^

I also seriously considered doing a Thunderbirds scheme on an F-20 for the USAF GB. It makes sense(at least to me...): It directly competed with the F-16 for the LWF contract, and the T-38 preceded it in the Thunderbirds line-up. The main reason it didn't get done is that I still can't agree with myself on a scheme.

I'm pretty sure it'd be real similar to the scheme used by their T-38s, given the similarities between the two aircraft.  You might consider putting Smokewinders on the wingtip rails for a bit of extra pizazz in some of the manuevers.

[SinUnNombre]

Hey everyone. Sorry to dig up an old post again. I've been thinking of the F-20 again and how its tiny wing is basically what killed it. There have been several big wing conversions(see Nev's Luftwaffe bird above) and I wanted to post my take.



What do you guys think? The new wings are vertical stabs from a 1/48 F/A-18. This is just a preliminary mockup, as I've been working on this for about 10 minutes. I'll do some work to the outer edges and scribe some ailerons, using most of the existing rudder as a flap. I might swap on the wingtip Sidewinder rails as well. A few questions. First off, since the orginal main gear was in the wing, should I try to put a bay in the new wing or mount it in the fuselage sides? I have a 1/72 A-7 rotting away that I could pirate the bays and gear from. Also, should I do anything the stabs and fin? They look a little pathetic now, maybe horizontals from the A-7 as well? What should I snag a vertical from, if it should even be changed at all? One last thing, and this is mostly just being silly, but should I give it a different designation with the new changes? Maybe the F-21 Barracuda?    

Thanks for any input, everybody.

Jon

EDIT: I made an executive decision. Wether it helps or not, I'm using A-7 horizontal stabs just because they look right.

[Daryl J.]

Could we have a comparison picture?  


Daryl J.

[SinUnNombre]

Ask and ye shall recieve, Daryl. Stock on top, mod on bottom . I just liek how the A-7 pieces look cmopared to the stockers. Maybe cut a little off at the tips?

Jon

[elmayerle]

I'd trim away at the wing root to shorten it just a tad and allow some LERX to be present.  Modiffy the outboard end to take a Sidewinger (or equivalent) rack - or if you're wanting a bit more armament, a twin-'Winder rack off the F-8.

Just a thought, a hybrid of T-38/F-5B and F-5F cockpits mated to a F-20 airframe in place of the single-seat cockpit to give a three-seat courier derivative.  With tiptanks, underwing tanks, and under fuselage tanks, it'd have quite an unrefueled range.

[SinUnNombre]

I'd trim away at the wing root to shorten it just a tad and allow some LERX to be present.  Modiffy the outboard end to take a Sidewinger (or equivalent) rack - or if you're wanting a bit more armament, a twin-'Winder rack off the F-8.

I was thinking of putting the original Sidewinder rails from the F-20 on the tips of the new wings, Evan. But I do like your double 'Winder rails on the tips. I may have to track down a pair. So you like the conecpt, Evan? What do you think about the vertical stab? Thanks.

Jon

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

I really like the A-7 tail!

For the wing, I made a different choice that require more surgery for my own F-2à model: enlarging the original wings!

Just like that:



I made that choise because I really enjoy the global form and shape of the actual wings, particulary the LERX... But it will need a lot of work to do that!!


(N.B. I didn't find a F-20 3-view, so I modify a F-5F. Note the additional hard point under the wing!)

[SinUnNombre]

For the wing, I made a different choice that require more surgery for my own F-2à model: enlarging the original wings!...
...But it will need a lot of work to do that!!

Well, maybe not. If you started with a 1/72 and put 1/48 wings , it would give you what you're looking for. Same way on a 1/144 with 1/72 wings. Now they may be too big and look out of proportion, but it be the concept you're after.

Jon

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Well, maybe not. If you started with a 1/72 and put 1/48 wings , it would give you what you're looking for. Same way on a 1/144 with 1/72 wings. Now they may be too big and look out of proportion, but it be the concept you're after.

Why not.

Clearly, a 1/48 wing on a 1/72 aircraft is way too out of proportion! But it could be easier to reduce a 1/48 wing than to increase a 1/72 one!!

But well, I don't want to buy a 1/48 model only for a pair of wings (moreover, it's quite impossible to find a 1/48 F-20 in my city), but maybe if I take a 1/72 F-16, Mirage F1 or F-18 wing and reduce them I could made something good.

PD7, since the planform is the same, a 1/48 wing from any F-5 would work just as well as a 1/48 F-20 wing for a starting place to trim to shape.

You're completely right! I had to be very tired to forget that, as it was exactly what I did with my drawing!

[SinUnNombre]

I was just thinking about this more. I did a line drawing awhile back of an F-20 with a T-38 front section for a two-holer, and a Jaguar nose. Is that at alll possible? Or probable? Or even favorable? I know it sure looks cool.

Jon

[elmayerle]

I was just thinking about this more. I did a line drawing awhile back of an F-20 with a T-38 front section for a two-holer, and a Jaguar nose. Is that at alll possible? Or probable? Or even favorable? I know it sure looks cool.

Jon

Well, you could put a T-38 cockpit and nose section on a F-20, but that doesn't leave much room in the nose for avionics.  For an operational two-seater, use the cockpit and nose section from a F-5F.  A Jaguar nose would be come close, but I'd fit the LRMTS to modified contours of a RF-5A nose; might as well use stock bits if they're available.  I admit this is a temptation for modelling a "Fast FAC" aircraft, though I'd probably mod the nose to fit the windows from something like a Sniper pod for this job.