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Soviet Aircraft Carriers

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Deino

#15
October 30, 2003, 01:23:11 AM
I think I found the ultimate carrier concept to beat our imperialistic enemies

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Captain Canada

#16
October 30, 2003, 03:18:28 AM
neat,  and also a very good kit for all the cat lovers on our forum ?!  :wub:  
CANADA KICKS arse !!!!

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nev

#17
October 30, 2003, 10:13:23 AM
Comrade Deino, this is excellent work!  Magnificent pieces of engineering (the product of revolutionary soviet socialist ideas) such as these show the amerikan capitalist lackeys for their true narrow mindedness!

The ability to launch 4 aircraft at once is simply not possessed by the foolish amerikan imperialists!
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Joe C-P

#18
October 30, 2003, 07:59:44 PM
QuoteComrade Deino, this is excellent work!  Magnificent pieces of engineering (the product of revolutionary soviet socialist ideas) such as these show the amerikan capitalist lackeys for their true narrow mindedness!

The ability to launch 4 aircraft at once is simply not possessed by the foolish amerikan imperialists!
Comrade Nev,

My Polish (must support the WP nations!) vodka-enhanced vision counts no less than _5_ catapults on that astonishing vessel. No lesser nation than the Soviet Union could have produced such a superior vessel! B)

Where can I find this model?! Once I have it, we shall have our 1990s carrier shortly thereafter! :party: It shall be armed with MiG-29s and Su-25s and -27s and perhaps even that Backfire!

Comrade Iosef R
Shipbuilding division
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Ogwash

#19
October 31, 2003, 04:30:26 AM
QuoteMy Polish (must support the WP nations!) vodka-enhanced vision counts no less than _5_ catapults on that astonishing vessel. No lesser nation than the Soviet Union could have produced such a superior vessel!


Uncle JoeP

But this Super Carrier appears to be a concept of our Communist Brother in the Peoples Republic of China. Of course our designers must have created the concept for them.

Deino any further details on this Carrier concept as i have ideas on how one could be created for our group Build.

On the subject of Soviet Allied carriers, how about the Polish Navy getting an ex-RN escort caarier during WWII and ending up as a Warsaw Pack training carrier then maybe as a Helicopter carrier by the 1970's. After all those facist Spanish who alligned with the Imperist Americans operated one as a VTOL carrier until the late 80's.

(take a Tamiya CVE kit in 1/700, replace AA Weapons with Soviet AA weapons [may reappear soon with the new Kirov kits !!!] and add a Aoshima Soviet Aircraft set for the Forger and Hormone aircraft. Hind, Hip & Haze aircraft would be nice as well but i don't think they ever made it to production -WEM did have them planned at one stage.)

Commrade Og


TsrJoe

#20
October 31, 2003, 06:24:02 AM
Comrade Dinovich...that is some 'super carrier' ... im speachless...waw...

happy modellingski, dosvedanya, 'uncle' joe  :ph34r:  
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Joe C-P

#21
October 31, 2003, 04:47:48 PM
QuoteOn the subject of Soviet Allied carriers, how about the Polish Navy getting an ex-RN escort caarier during WWII and ending up as a Warsaw Pack training carrier then maybe as a Helicopter carrier by the 1970's. After all those facist Spanish who alligned with the Imperist Americans operated one as a VTOL carrier until the late 80's.

(take a Tamiya CVE kit in 1/700, replace AA Weapons with Soviet AA weapons [may reappear soon with the new Kirov kits !!!] and add a Aoshima Soviet Aircraft set for the Forger and Hormone aircraft. Hind, Hip & Haze aircraft would be nice as well but i don't think they ever made it to production -WEM did have them planned at one stage.)

Commrade Og
Comrade Og,

Most excellent, fellow revolutionary! I am glad that there are others out there researching the history of the Warsaw Pact nations.

I think the Kirov models will have equipment too late for an upgraded WW2 carrier, even one that lasted into the 1970s. The older Skywave Soviet weapons set would be a better source. But don't ask me for mine since I'm using the parts to equip a 1960s guided missile battlecruiser.  :ar:
However, I am looking forward to the Kirov, since Skywave may release a new Soviet weapons set, so I can turn a Kiev into an LPH.

Comrade Iosef R
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Geoff_B

#22
October 31, 2003, 05:08:36 PM
QuoteI think the Kirov models will have equipment too late for an upgraded WW2 carrier, even one that lasted into the 1970s. The older Skywave Soviet weapons set would be a better source. But don't ask me for mine since I'm using the parts to equip a 1960s guided missile battlecruiser.

Comrade Iosef

The Dragon Kirov apparently uses the old Soviet Weapons Sprue. Trumpeter/Pitroad have created a new one for their Kirovs. With the Slavas and Kashins due out soon from Combrig the escort fleet for the Carriers certailnly has plenty of options !!!.

If we can get a guestimate on the size of the Chinese carrier, how about a liner kit converted to make the hull, thinking an Airfix 1/600 liner would make a nice big 1/700 carrier hull and gives you conventional bows instead of Imperilist American Hurricane bows  - but its just an idea.

Commrade Og

Joe C-P

#23
November 07, 2003, 09:37:12 AM
Quote
If we can get a guestimate on the size of the Chinese carrier, how about a liner kit converted to make the hull, thinking an Airfix 1/600 liner would make a nice big 1/700 carrier hull and gives you conventional bows instead of Imperilist American Hurricane bows  - but its just an idea.

Commrade Og
Comrade Og,

While I praise the Revolutionary efforts of our Chinese cousins, we are still working on building representations of the glorious Soviet fleet. Our drydocks are full up with hulls, there are other vessels with materials being gathered, and we are still awaiting delivery of aircraft for the Sovietsky Soyuz! Plus we have opened up an aircraft department  :f16: , which is taking up materials and space from the Shipbuilding division. They are in competition to encourage their revolutionary spirit, but this has led to freezes in the construction cycle that can only be broken by liberal doses of anti-freeze, which in turn expand rest periods.  :zzz:

However, to encourage Socialist fervor, we are considering ships of our allies in the next Five Year Plan. We are currently interested in the efforts of our Polish comrades, who operated two cruisers and many other vessels during the Great Patriotic War. We have discovered a secret program from the 1970s to build a small aircraft carrier based on plans liberated from the decadent US Navy. (Americans are so easily turned - a little Polish vodka :party:, some pierogis and kielbasa, ^_^ , and a pretty Polish girl :wub: can get you anything from the weak-willed, underfed, beer-swilling imperialist running dogs.  :lol:)

Perhaps there are those out there that might be able to add a drydock facility near their aircraft factory? Comrade Uncle Joe encourages you all to expand your horizons, lest he finds need to billet Cossacks in your homes.  :angry:  :ar:

Up the revolution!
Go Big Red!

Comrade Iosef R
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Joe C-P

#24
November 30, 2003, 11:19:24 AM
Finally! The deck vehicles have arrived and will be loaded aboard ship during this week. I will forward photographs of our amazing Soviet subject as she is prepared to go to see where she will send the capitalists running dog western navies cowering back to their harbors.

Hopefully during this week we shall also finally see the arrival of some of the airgroup. I believe that western spies have been diverting the shipments by spiking the good Communist vodka with cheap Americanski swill, causing our brave pilot heroes to go off course in their delivery flights!

Up the Revolution!

Comrade Iosef R, ship construction division
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Geoff_B

#25
December 16, 2003, 09:28:57 AM
Hi JoeP

Hows the Carrier coming along ?, just had an idea what about doing a Kirov as an Escort for the carrier now we have a multitude of kits, perhaps you could do a possible earlier design with SAN-3 launchers on a deck house fwd and perhaps a fwd Gun with external SSM ? a bit Slava style ? Over here only the Trumpeter kit is cost effective as for some reasons its about £14, where as the Dragon is £29 and the Pitroad boxed Trumpeter is £32 !!!!!

Comrade Og

Joe C-P

#26
December 17, 2003, 09:39:09 AM
QuoteHi JoeP

Hows the Carrier coming along ?, just had an idea what about doing a Kirov as an Escort for the carrier now we have a multitude of kits, perhaps you could do a possible earlier design with SAN-3 launchers on a deck house fwd and perhaps a fwd Gun with external SSM ? a bit Slava style ? Over here only the Trumpeter kit is cost effective as for some reasons its about £14, where as the Dragon is £29 and the Pitroad boxed Trumpeter is £32 !!!!!

Comrade Og
Our carrier is in the fitting-out slip, just about complete, with deck vehicles being loaded aboard when our crew is not working on other projects in drydock. We still await the arrival of aircraft at our local airfield; we shall make another visit before the end of the year.

An earlier model Kirov, eh? Hoom, hom, an interesting idea, and obviously the product of the superior Communist mind!

I will be purchasing both the DML and Trumpeter models of Frunze, as each reportedly does different parts better than the other, but this is for a real-world diorama of a Frunze-centered Soviet surface action group, to counter an almost complete USN BB-centered SAG. But the idea of another one, backdated with earlier weapons, intrigues me...

Note: the Pitroad/Skywave version is identical to the Trumpeter version, except that it includes a lower hull. Skywave designed the master and Trumpeter is producing it, as they did with the Iowa class BBs.

I still plan to build the BBG, to strike fear into the weakling hearts of the capitalist running dog sailors of the West!

Comrade Iosef R, shipbuilding division  :ar:  
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Joe C-P

#27
January 06, 2004, 11:32:16 AM
QuoteI still plan to build the BBG, to strike fear into the weakling hearts of the capitalist running dog sailors of the West!
The parts for the BBG have arrived at drydock, and construction shall commence this week. We have finally found files on the capture of the Nazi battleship Tirpitz, and her Soviet service as the Potemkin. (The foolish western forces believe they sank her in Norway, only they sank a decoy after the real ship escaped to Stettin, where she was captured by patriotic Soviet forces along with the carrier Graf Zeppelin, whose history in Soviet service is already documented.)

The  current delivery date for aircraft is now _February_ of this year. Appropriate persons will be shot for this interminable delay! Once they have arrived, I will request photos of your various subjects so I may place them aboard ship.

Forward the Revolution! Up the great socialist Navy!

Comrade Iosef R, shipbuilding division
In want of hobby space!  The kitchen table is never stable.  Still managing to get some building done.

Nick

#28
January 20, 2004, 12:11:55 PM
Was flicking through a book on 'Cruisers of the Second World War' at last nights club meet and discovered that in 1942 work started on converting the cruiser KMS Seydlitz into an aircraft carrier.
On 10th October 1946 an RAF PRU flight spotted the Seydlitz being towed towards Leningrad. She was scrapped in about 1950. Seydlitz aircraft carrier.

So, what-if the Seydlitz/Poltava was rebuilt and used as a fleet escort carrier by the Soviet Navy and later on as a flight training ship in the Baltic or Mediterranean fleets?

Nick B)  

Geoff_B

#29
January 20, 2004, 02:24:39 PM
Model of Seydlitz

Hi Nick

Try this site out for the german carriers (have a look at the Hybrids as well !!!)

The Seydlitz should be a fairly easy conversion  of sorts as the Hipper class cruisers are readily available from Revell at the moment and would look good next to the Graf Zeppelin. One of the Hipper cruisers was sold to Russia in 1940,then nearly sunk bty the Germans at Lenningrad still incomplete. You could have her being repaired and rebuilt to give a pair of Soviet light carriers !!!!.

Cheers

GeoffB B)  
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