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Differently 141

Started by Tophe, June 18, 2006, 09:53:20 PM

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Tophe

If you look :wacko:  at the number 141 (in base 10, not the corresponding 10001101 in base 2 :wacko: ), it seems obvious that it means for an airplane: 1-fuselage + 4-engines + 1 other fuselage... :angry:
The standard Lockheed Starlifter C-141 did not meet this mandatory :angry:  requirement (of mine :wacko: ), while... the C-141Z TwinStar reached that goal... :D

( from http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-141.htm )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#1
BUT the asymmetrical part of myself :wacko:  (the heart at the left of my chest :) ), argued  :(  : "the leading 141 was Blohm und Voss wonder of the early 1940s, after which every 141-named airplane must feature asymmetry :wacko:  or pay $ billions as punishment :angry: , according to the law on trademarks!"
So the 4-engined C-141B Starlifter :angry:  became the 3-engined C-141Bv Asymlifter... :D  

( from http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-141.htm )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#2
AS WELL, when the Soviet Union ignoring commercial laws :(  became Russia market :) , the Yakovlev team had to adapt their Yak-141 Freestyle in order to respect the asymmetry rule :angry: . This created the single-tailed Yabv-141 FreeAsym (or Free-of-Copyright)...  :D

(from http://www.machtres.com/yak%20141-1.jpg )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#3
And as I had become leader of the World (at least of the whole asylum, and probably outside), I required the twin-tail to be restored without discarding asymmetry: Yabv-141Dv. :wacko:

(from http://www.tayyareci.com/rus-ucaklari/imag...ges/yak141f.jpg )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

B777LR

QuoteAnd as I had become leader of the World
Put all the whiffers in your govermant!

Tophe

#5
Dear, you are nominated Prime Minister (of the asylum...) despite your young age... :)
First mission: finding other 141 codes in the aviation World, apart of the Bv141, C-141, Yak-141, the poorly known Marcel Bloch MB.141 (whose search was the reason of this topic, but the thumbnail at http://www.dassault-aviation.com/passion/g.../index.cfm?ta=3 was uneasy to handle). Which else? Has there been a Japanese Ki-141, Soviet Tu-141 or I-141, or else?
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#6
Next one: the North-American NA-141 Fury FJ-1 had also to be turned asymmetric (and twin-tail if possible): FJ-11 Furasy.

(see http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contribution...hedijk/4744.htm )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#7
QuoteSoviet Tu-141
Google found this Tupolev Tu-141 Strizh missile, and I had just to twin it into an actual airplane, scale 5:1 or something, with asymmetry on 2 canard tails... -_-
Tu-141Dv:

thanks to http://www.fas.org/irp/world/russia/program/dr-3.htm
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

B777LR

Dont know if this one counts, a Mig-1.41?

Tophe

#9
Good! They tried to fool the inspection squad, but you find them anyway! Not to go to jail or punishment-camp Siberia, the MiG design bureau had to design an actual MiG 141 (or MiG 141Bv, asymmetric twin-tail) to complete this "1.41". Good work, inspector!

PS. In Cyrillic, B is pronounced V, so the considered code was simply 141B pronounced 141B in English and 141V in Russian, and B+V=BV, MiG-BV-141, that's it!
PS2. Investigation will go on in Russia: Bartini for the V VA-14-1 and Antonov for the An-14-1 may be condemned too... And if there has been in the US a XF-14-1 Tomcat...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#10
And the unbuilt project of twin-jet Hawker Siddeley HS-141 was also an asymmetric twin tail, here is the proof:
(from )http://www.aiaa.org/tc/vstol/unbuilt/h-s/

Next: the Folland 141 Gnat, that has to be twinned into a Gnat-Gnat...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#11
Thanks to http://mijnposter.nl/thumbs/601/089s.jpeg here is the Folland Fo-141 Gnat following the FoBv-141 Gnat-Gnat... The Red Arrows refused the latter model, saying it was too easy to fly close to one another this way, not dangerous/thrilling enough...

for the days to come: Vickers 141 Scout, Farman F.141, Vought V-141, Hanriot HD.141, Potez-CAMS 141, Piper 141 Warrior, Payen Pa 141, Boulton-Paul P.141 :)
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

B777LR

Good job on spotting those glorious dict... ehrm leader! Never would have thought about those myself!

PS, the crappy website called wikipedia, did no help whatever in my search to find traitors!

Tophe

#13
The glorious engineer Roland Payen was happy when WW2 ended: the time had come for his civil Pa.141 – and he may find time for solving the remaining issues: how to install a second engine increasing safety and provide a panoramic rear view (a P-61-like layout was considered). Then occured this 141-patent/property issue (from this Tophe Sr crazy lawyer :wacko: , for what remained of Blohm und Voss...)
Eng. Payen smiled: "let us do it all at once: providing asymmetry with the second engine and the rear canopy: Pa.141B – B like Blohm!"

Tophe Sr answer: "yes, but there is still no Pa.141 kit, scratchbuilding is uneasy..."
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#14
The first flight of the Blohm-und-Voss Bv 141 occurred in 1938, but the Vought V-141 first flew in 1936! So lawyers are fighting severely to know which design/product was the first... In case they would loose, Bv built a symmetric Bv 141Z (with Glenn's help, see http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=9928 ) and Vought built a slightly asymmetric (twin-fuselage single-fin single-cockpit) V-141Z...

(thanks to http://www.vought.com/heritage/photo/asset.../db_1422_18.jpg )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]