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Started by lancer, March 04, 2004, 01:51:18 PM

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lancer

March 04, 2004, 01:51:18 PM
Ok, I was doing some thinking the other day - yeah I know a rare occurrence these days- but, I was thinking about making the Mk8 version into a night fighter. Redesign the nose for a radar nose, stick some missiles under the wings and voila...See what happens when i think????!!! :dum:  :ph34r:  :dum:  :ph34r:  
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Chris707

#1
March 04, 2004, 02:32:18 PM
Sounds completely feasible to me!

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lesb/xh132.html
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bo...rs/b5/jb57b.jpg

and I am sure that Canberras were used as testbeds for UK AAM projects - the references escape me at the moment...

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Chris707

#2
March 04, 2004, 06:02:18 PM
Sorta gives the impression of a night fighter B.8, although the nose is that a Buc, rather than a fighter:
http://www.sweptwings.co.uk/images/newark_...erra_b8_1as.jpg
http://www.bywat.co.uk/wv787.html

This is probably closer to an operational Canberra fighter radome:
http://www.sweptwings.co.uk/images/newark_...rra_t19_1as.jpg

You could also do a USAF testbed with a Bomarc radar nose and a couple of Eagle missiles underwing - not built (or even considered AFAIK!!) but would look plausible...

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elmayerle

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March 04, 2004, 06:06:28 PM Last Edit: March 04, 2004, 09:37:09 PM by elmayerle
QuoteYou could also do a USAF testbed with a Bomarc radar nose and a couple of Eagle missiles underwing - not built (or even considered AFAIK!!) but would look plausible...
More like a USN testbed with, say, an F3D radome in the nose since the Eagle was a Navy missile (going by the drawings, you just need to add a booster stage to an AIM-54 to model an Eagle).
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elmayerle

#4
March 04, 2004, 09:36:24 PM
QuoteThat's not a bad idea to produce a workable Eagle!

Eagle was indeed a USN project, but the Air Force looked at the idea as well - they considered using C-135s as a launch platform. Which leads to a whole bunch of _other_ WI ideas as well :-)

Chris
I've seen drawings of some Grumman proposals for launch platforms for Eagle missiles - in addition to the supersonic XF12F proposal, there was a derivative of the Intruder and, for long duration patrols, a derivative of the E-2 airframe.  Lots of what-if possibilities there.
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Aircav

#5
March 05, 2004, 11:21:58 AM
I've been thinking about a Canberra conversion using a 1/72 B-57 a 1/48 U-2.
Fit the tailplane off the U-2 onto the B-57 along with the wings which would give you a wing span of 132 scale feet and also a new nose using the rear off one of the U-2 wing pods  ;)  :P
Steve
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TsrJoe

#6
March 05, 2004, 02:30:53 PM
Hiya chaps...English Electric came up with a 'fighter Canberra' back in 1956! Known as the P.12 it was derived from the B.8 with a 'thimble' type radome containing AI.18 radar (similar to some of the trials aircraft!) and was intended to carry the big Vickers Red Dean missile either on or just under its wingtips!

theres a 3view drawing in Tony Buttler's BSP. Bombers volume, page 13

happy modelling, cheers, joe :ph34r:

ps. one 'whatif' id really love to see would be a Canberra PR.7 or 9 with a U.2 style high altitude wing similar in span to the RB.57F! definately an eye catcher!!!
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Chris707

#7
March 05, 2004, 09:08:54 PM
Quoteps. one 'whatif' id really love to see would be a Canberra PR.7 or 9 with a U.2 style high altitude wing similar in span to the RB.57F! definately an eye catcher!!!

Didn't have the time/energy to do an RAF bird proper, but a repaint job gives you the impression as what it might have looked like:



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TsrJoe

#8
September 12, 2004, 08:41:47 AM
having just been tinkering with some chopped up Canberra models...my mind wandered to some interesting hypothetical possibilities...

first some for tophe..

twin fuselage, 3 engined....minimal modification using a straight centre section with one engine...

twin fuselage, 3 engined, swept outer wings...

triple fuselage, centre one being shorter without a vertical fin (a'la VC.10!), primarily for stores carrying, 4 engines...

then...

flying boat bomber...raised wings with a stepped planing bottom...

or...

swept wings, rear engined, 'T' tail...

vg. outer wings...yeuch..naaa

chuckle...just a few thoughts to stimulate (or deaden!) the grey stuff!

happy whiffing...cheers, joe  :ph34r:
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Aircav

#9
September 12, 2004, 10:42:04 AM
Already got an idea for a Canberra/B-57 as a RAF recon bird.
B-57 fuselage and inner wings, Viking forward engine sections fitted to the B-57 engines and 1/48 U-2 wings for the outer wing panels with the U-2 fin and rudder fitted to the B-57.
:P
Steve
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Sir Sydney Camm

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Geoff_B

#10
September 12, 2004, 01:56:23 PM
Hmmn

Howabout a single seater with a smaller diameter fuselage or Possibly Tandem seater a'la B-57 but with an AiR Intercept Radar and wing mounted missiles or a Weapons bay option. Maybe with the larger wings as a High altitude loiter interceptor rather than the super fast ones they choose.

Cheers

Geoff B B)

elmayerle

#11
September 12, 2004, 02:49:53 PM
QuoteErm a Passenger variant  ? ;)  :D  :D  :D
I do know that Martin schemed a passenger version of the B-57.  I came across it once while going through back issues of Aviation Week from the 1950's.  
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TsrJoe

#12
September 12, 2004, 02:57:50 PM
hahaha...nice one lee  :P ...it just so happens...iv a few to finish off first but its still on the list!!!

re the US. passenger one... 'B.57 at war', by Robert C. Mikesh, has some nice photos of the mockup and model (as well as some other interesting US. proposals!)...ill scan and post em up onto the TSR site...

cheers, joe  :ph34r:  
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Leigh

#13
September 12, 2004, 05:11:58 PM
I love the ideas but where are you people getting the kits?
I'd like to start buy building one OOB, then Chuck Yeager,s ride in Vietnam but the only place i find 'em in 1/72 is Ebay.

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JC Carbonel

#14
September 14, 2004, 04:24:31 AM
In a 1958 Interavia there is a pix of a VTOL proposal with a bank of 20 Rolls-Royce lift engines where was once the bomb-bays...

JCC
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